BitKeeper is perfectly adequate across Windows, Linux and iOS. It's also free.
1Password for Linux development preview
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> It’s one of those apps which has been made with proper craftsmanship and care Is it? I've been using it for sometime as well but it seems like there is a lot of room for improvement. E.g: - Support for unlocking via Watch ID on the Mac. - Currently on iOS when searching for a password within an app, if a site prefix is included that doesn't match what's in 1Password the list will just show no results, with no way t…
Thanks for the feedback! We can unlock 1Password for Mac via Apple Watch on Macs that have Secure Enclaves now. :) - Ben, 1Password
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#323Unfortunately this only works with hosted 1Password (as far as I can tell), there doesn't seem to be any support for self hosted vaults. Can Roustem or anyone else from 1Password team clarify this? This was the precise reason I switched to BitWarden 6 months ago, needed a solution where my passwords didn't leave my network.
I don't believe it would be an overwhelming amount of work to implement the write portion (err, aside from getting a security review) but I do seriously doubt that KeePassXC would accept the PR to change the backing store, meaning it would have to be a fork :-(
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#325I was a 1Password user from when it was fully self-hosted until they started pulling bait and switch tactics to move people to subscriptions and online vaults[1]. I also had Windows licences, and Windows was certainly a 2nd class citizen while I used 1Password. And of course, it doesn't look like the 1Password Linux client is open source. The back-end certainly isn't. I switched to Keepass[2] initially, synchronised…
I believe you can still self-host if you want. I don't understand how can you be disturbed by offering a cloud service to host your passwords could be bad to switch. I'm happy sub of 1Password and i self-hosted my passwords before for a long time.
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#326As many others have said, I'll be interested once they provide local vault support on Linux. I dislike subscriptions - not for the financial cost as such, but because I like to evaluate whether or not I want to pay for a given version or stay on the current version. I'm happy to pay for software that provides value to me, which 1Password does (and I did pay for the existing clients). The same applies to major version…
I was on the same boat until recently. Long time 1Password user under Linux + local sync (since v3, 10+ years ago). Always feeling neglected by AgileBits. Last year I got tired of having to fidget with WineHQ config every time I updated something, and decided to pony up for the cloud-based subscription. It was the best decision ever. Not only solves the compatibility issues (obviously), but also gave me the ability o…
I do however disagree with charging for this kind of software (which to me is only a local client, since I do not use or care about their backend service) via a subscription, on principle.
I'm aware that from a purely financial point of view, this is not a rational argument to make. In fact, it gets more irrational because if I could pay for updates every time, I might end up accepting a scheme where I pay more in total over the lifetime of the product - depending on whether I pay for every major version, and how high each update is priced - and I would not be dissatisfied with that.
But it's not purely a financial argument, it's about the choice of what to pay for, and what not. Being able to evaluate each version on its own merits. Paying for the syncing feature separately (in my case: Dropbox).
Basically, this kind of subscription removes freedom of choice from the customer side, which is why I am ideologically opposed to it even when it works out cheaper in the end for me.
As an aside: I find the word "subscription" to be disingenuous for these, and only use it because it has come to be used by convention. Traditionally "subscriptions" in terms of physical goods meant you retain ownership of anything you received before cancelling. Cancel a magazine, you don't need to mail back all your old copies. I tend to think of software or media "subscriptions" as "renting access", not as "subscribing", and mostly avoid them.
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I was on the same boat until recently. Long time 1Password user under Linux + local sync (since v3, 10+ years ago). Always feeling neglected by AgileBits. Last year I got tired of having to fidget with WineHQ config every time I updated something, and decided to pony up for the cloud-based subscription. It was the best decision ever. Not only solves the compatibility issues (obviously), but also gave me the ability o…
I understand :-) I am not even arguing that the subscription price is not worth it - it might very well be. I do however disagree with charging for this kind of software (which to me is only a local client, since I do not use or care about their backend service) via a subscription, on principle. I'm aware that from a purely financial point of view, this is not a rational argument to make. In fact, it gets more irrati…
This is a huge point - they're rentals, not subscriptions.
I blame cable TV "subscriptions"; in theory you can record cable programs and keep them forever (like a real subscription) but with internet TV "subscriptions" they make it very hard to do so. TiVo with a cable card will happily record HBO or Disney Channel, but it won't record HBO Max or Disney+.
Software, video streaming and game "subscriptions" should really be called rentals, because you lose access after you stop paying rent.
Apple could choose to implement actual subscriptions in their App Store. Basically you would get updates as long as you keep paying the subscription fee. Practically this would still be a rental though since Apple breaks its APIs every year.
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Thanks for the feedback! We can unlock 1Password for Mac via Apple Watch on Macs that have Secure Enclaves now. :) - Ben, 1Password
Upon reading this I was incredibly excited to go try it out... until I remembered I lost my Apple Watch last week :(((
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This comment is like a canonical example of why a company would choose not to develop for Linux. 1Password puts real resources and risk into supporting a platform that may not pay off, but it’s Not Good Enough for much of the community because: -The client is not open source -the backend is not open source -it’s not “a first class citizen” right away (the Windows port is by all accounts improving) I’m not trying to p…
Developing for every platform has unique properties. Every platform has its own native UI toolkits and look-and-feel; try to release an Electron app, and people complain. Write a great iOS app, but no iPad port, or be a couple months late with support for The Notch, people complain. Linux's main difference is that, with so few users, when their priorities are disrespected by Big Corporate, the populace sides with Big…
This is very different from asking for a native UI or to use a core OS API, etc.
Again, it’s fine to ask for a radical business change or require it but the frequency of this as a demand does help explain why few companies go down this path.
(As for 1Password abandoning one time sales for subscriptions, to me this is a separate issue. One, it’s not news or part of the linked article, two it’s not particularly related to the Linux release, three it affects all platforms. However if you did try and relate it to this discussion I think their current business model is actually much more compatible with going open source than the old one. I don’t think they will do this but the bundling of storage with software that came with the subscription model offers a more economically viable path for open sourcing because their revenue is less dependent on being the software provider. You could argue it would actually help their sales by providing a fallback ecosystem that shows customer there is no lock in and by making it possible to audit the crypto used to ensure their infra is zero knowledge. I think even among Linux users only a small fraction want to run their own password servers. I know I don’t. But I think they would judge the risk of enabling a low rent low quality low cost turnkey competitor too high and frankly I would agree with them. I think an open core model could work where they keep the UI chrome closed but this will not satisfy the critics.)
(Also I’m a longtime 1Password user myself. I was VERY bummed by the change to subscriptions but I don’t find it as dark as you do. The product I paid $60 or whatever for many years ago still works fine; old vaults continue to function so we were not really “left in the dust.” When I moved to a subscription it was because I needed new capabilities. Sharing passwords and other secrets with other people chief among them. This is IMO worth the subscription cost. My main concern is security; I do not like having to trust their closed source crypto to keep my stuff secure on their server. One party with sensitive data and crucial code is excessive risk. However I do not want to stand up my own server. That is even worse. And all the open source alternatives would require me to do this for sync support. Which is a bit odd considering 1pw used to offer peer to peer WiFi sync. I guess this is too hard for any of the open source projects to offer.)
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I also considered a move but I may just get the subscription. If Apple offered a more fully featured keychain I might just stay in their ecosystem.
€36 a year, so for a period of 5 years that makes €180. For me and my partner that would be €360 for 5 years! For a password manager... I also considered using KeepassXC and Strongbox on iOS, which is completely free (sync the database via iCloud.) KeepassXC's browser extensions are pretty bad though, hopefully that will change sometime soon. If you want to keep costs low, Bitwarden is currently your best option i th…
They’ve got a family-oriented subscription which is cheaper. Used it since it launched and it’s been transformative for both sharing credentials with my family and getting them into the habit of unique credentials on every site, and TOTP where possible as well.
I can’t recommend 1Password enough and I’ve been a customer for a very long time, predating the move to subscription pricing and cloud services.
It’s worlds improved over synchronizing with Dropbox. There’s definitely security tradeoffs but if it isn’t easy you’d lose a substantial number of people back to duplicating the same password across 370 sites.