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What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Does the fact that Google and Microsoft have Indian CEOs, Sundar / Satya respectively, give them an advantage when dealing with the Indian market? Especially when considering the fact this pronounced interest in Jio is largely just as a way to enter into negotiations with the owners of the Indian market/government.

They might be wrong caste to matter in any negotiations? also https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3azjp5/silicon-valley-has...

That very article: "Sundar Pichai, the CEO of Google, and Satya Nadella, the CEO of Microsoft, are both Indian immigrants who come from the higher Brahmin caste"

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Because the largest market for growth these entities have outside of China, is India. The middle classes want the goodies, and these players want the income. Jio has the market.

And more importantly choke-hold over the government bureaucracy. They can essentially bulldoze government over any rules and regulations, and bribe around freely. This is how Reliance got big.

I dont know if Id characterize it exactly like that. But “market access” does seem to be is gained by a Jio tie up. The economist has been covering it regularly. Heres a July write up https://www.economist.com/business/2020/07/04/india-incs-inw...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might be wrong caste to matter in any negotiations? also https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3azjp5/silicon-valley-has...

That very article: "Sundar Pichai, the CEO of Google, and Satya Nadella, the CEO of Microsoft, are both Indian immigrants who come from the higher Brahmin caste"

Mukesh Ambani, the founder and chairman of Jio, is not a Brahmin. So the idea that caste differences could play a part in dealings of this sort is a fair topic.

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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I wonder how the work culture inside Jio is. Reliance (Petro-refinery side) is one of the "core companies" for Chemical Engineers but after a summer internship, students didn't seem interested in pursuing employment there unless there was no option left. These companies used to be derogatorily referred to as 'Lala companies' based on the heredity CEOship. (Lalas typically are merchant class of India, who pass on thei…

From the stories I hear from my friends - it's a spectrum. Depends on the department and role you are working in. More technical roles are less Lala but non-technical roles can out-Lala other Lala companies.

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Because the largest market for growth these entities have outside of China, is India. The middle classes want the goodies, and these players want the income. Jio has the market.

And more importantly choke-hold over the government bureaucracy. They can essentially bulldoze government over any rules and regulations, and bribe around freely. This is how Reliance got big.

I think this is about as useful as observing Boeing has a lock on the US government and distorts the market with Airbus.

It completely ignores the real stories in technology and development which make people invest.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And more importantly choke-hold over the government bureaucracy. They can essentially bulldoze government over any rules and regulations, and bribe around freely. This is how Reliance got big.

I think this is about as useful as observing Boeing has a lock on the US government and distorts the market with Airbus. It completely ignores the real stories in technology and development which make people invest.

Thats comparing Apples to Oranges.

Read the book "The Polyester Prince". The Ambani's got it banned in India.

It's an open secret that the Ambani's are the most corrupt family in India.

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Is Jio still using and building on KaiOS, their fork of FirefoxOS, the javascript-based mobile OS? I'd love to read the story behind that and where it's going next. Are their contributions open source?

Might be wrong but KaiOs is a different entity that partners with Jio. KaiOs tech works with multiple other telecom providers https://www.kaiostech.com/

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Because the largest market for growth these entities have outside of China, is India. The middle classes want the goodies, and these players want the income. Jio has the market.

And more importantly choke-hold over the government bureaucracy. They can essentially bulldoze government over any rules and regulations, and bribe around freely. This is how Reliance got big.

support this 100%

if you do your due diligence companies like Reliance (Dhirubhai Ambani) are the reason most honest smart Indians are fleeing the country

From things like bribing the government at city and state levels, to 'disappearing competitors' to going after competitors with the sole purpose of killing them off

Of course, now with what is happening with TikTok you could argue US is fast becoming the same

you can just buy Government influence instead of having to compete

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Does the fact that Google and Microsoft have Indian CEOs, Sundar / Satya respectively, give them an advantage when dealing with the Indian market? Especially when considering the fact this pronounced interest in Jio is largely just as a way to enter into negotiations with the owners of the Indian market/government.

At a superficial level - yes

Both grew up in India before migrating to US so understand India very well

In reality

Sundar Pichai - no

Satya Nadella - yes. This guy is a @#$#$ genius. And Indians have a lot of respect for smart people who deliver results

So, Indian Goverment is not owned by Reliance

However, all things being equal Indian Government would prefer an Indian company like Reliance owns the keys to the kingdom, rather than some imperialist cunt like Bezos or Zuckerberg

So now these imperialist companies have no choice but to team up with Reliance

Bezos' plans in India are screwed, though, by the way

WalMart/Flipkart was good competition and still #1

However, JioMart is basically as vicious and happy to do illegal things as Bezos and he has all the connections in India

So India can be written off completely for Amazon retail

Bezos' only choice now is to partner with Ambani as a small stakeholder

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