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Post by xdavidliu »

BeetleB wrote: post #196
xdavidliu wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but in your direct quote, it clearly says "not-rich, not-white", so clearly the direct quote was not talking about "rich blacks"

The phrase can be interpreted two ways. To simplify this comment, when I say "black" I mean "not white". Easier than to keep typing non-white, etc. You have a quadrant of four categories: 1. Rich and white 2. Poor and white 3. Rich and black 4. Poor and black You are interpreting the statement to refer to "people who are not (rich or white)" - which with Boolean logic expands to "people who are not rich and not white…

in English, comma separated lists of adjectives or other descriptors are almost always understood to have AND between them, not OR. OR must be explicit, otherwise AND is implicitly assumed.

This is not just a matter of two equally valid alternative explanations: a reasonable reading of the original sentence "not poor, not white" (along a minimal amount of thought about the context and subject matter, e.g. prisons clearly are not full of rich blacks) would have easily led to the other person realizing that it was category 4 that the parent was talking about, not 1-3.

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Post by solidasparagus »

pinko wrote: post #358
JohnBooty wrote: post #337

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Having followed sports my entire life, and played a bit... Lebron is not a good example. He is a freakishly transcendent talent, the exception to the rule. There is no "right time, right place" factor for Lebron, unless we're simply considering the fact that he lucky enough to be born at a time on Earth when professional basketball is a thing that exists. Would his career have worked out if Carmelo was drafted to Cle…

My only quibble with your "there is literally no permutation of events, no alternate universe" take is injury and other bad luck. I suspect for every Lebron -- who's been lucky enough not to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, injury-wise, for decades -- there are a number of equal/better players (physically and mentally) who get bumped, land wrong, tear an ACL, and their trajectory changes forever. (Or get in a…

See this just isn't true. Durability is a physical property and in this area, like many others, LeBron is just on a totally different level than pretty much everyone else. The number of minutes he has played + the low amount of offseason he has (consistent deep playoff runs) + the physicality of his game + the few injuries he has sustained strongly suggests that he has a rare durability.

I really think you are underestimating how special LeBron is, how obvious it has been since he was in middle school, and how much it says about his physical gifts that he has played such heavy minutes for so long. We still talk about high school prospects being the next LeBron James because he was obviously a once in a generation talent (Zion being the only prospect since LeBron that has equalled his hype). Also LeBron has not really had good luck in his life. He had talent that transcended his terrible situation.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by solidasparagus »

alexbanks wrote: post #408
JohnBooty wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having followed sports my entire life, and played a bit... Lebron is not a good example. He is a freakishly transcendent talent, the exception to the rule. There is no "right time, right place" factor for Lebron, unless we're simply considering the fact that he lucky enough to be born at a time on Earth when professional basketball is a thing that exists. Would his career have worked out if Carmelo was drafted to Cle…

I think that we agree mostly, but I just don't think Lebron's individual skill is that inherent. If you compare high school lebron to now, obviously there are tremendous differences. The amount of "what ifs" that show up indicate a tremendous amount of luck. There are plenty of "Most insane athletes we've ever seen" coming up from High School that never turn into anything, or don't turn into the greatest players of a…

I feel you're trying to make a valid point, but you aren't really respecting how much LeBron was an outlier as a prospect. There simply are not plenty of prospects with his size, control, explosiveness, durability and fine motor control. 16 years after LeBron was drafted, we finally saw someone who is as much of an outlier as LeBron in Zion.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by alexbanks »

solidasparagus wrote: post #423
alexbanks wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that we agree mostly, but I just don't think Lebron's individual skill is that inherent. If you compare high school lebron to now, obviously there are tremendous differences. The amount of "what ifs" that show up indicate a tremendous amount of luck. There are plenty of "Most insane athletes we've ever seen" coming up from High School that never turn into anything, or don't turn into the greatest players of a…

I feel you're trying to make a valid point, but you aren't really respecting how much LeBron was an outlier as a prospect. There simply are not plenty of prospects with his size, control, explosiveness, durability and fine motor control. 16 years after LeBron was drafted, we finally saw someone who is as much of an outlier as LeBron in Zion.

> I feel you're trying to make a valid point

Thanks?

> but you aren't really respecting how much LeBron was an outlier as a prospect

This is rewriting history. The thing about signing someone straight from high school is it's tough to know how good they are, given they've mostly spent their whole career stomping normal people. Also I'm not implying Lebron was bad, or even anything less than a top pick. I'm just pointing out that there are quite regularly draft candidates that are touted the same way, that do not end up as a Lebron James.

> There simply are not plenty of prospects with his size, control, explosiveness, durability and fine motor control

Most of which he developed in the league? Which is as much a testament to him as it is his coaching, no? Which is a variable that could've prevented him from ascending as high as he did?

> 16 years after LeBron was drafted, we finally saw someone who is as much of an outlier as LeBron in Zion.

This is flatout not true (and frankly pretty offensive to Lebron). Zion is overweight and duck-footed, the combination of which has already shown issues even in his first season. His team knows it, which is why they're keeping him at 20 minutes a game.

If you can't play a player because of their fragility, you can't really call them great.

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Post by heavenlyblue »

Nightshaxx wrote: post #307
teej wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the Google version of winning the lottery. Right place, right skills, right time.

But compared to the lottery, the skills needed to exploit the right place and the right time are not trivial to learn.

There’s enough people in the world to make the chance become the primary driving factor in that.

You could post factually justify their place, but that’s easy in hindsight.

If you think your statement is true - could you please provide a research into which skills would be needed to exploit the right place at the right time that actually proves that’s not some mystical abberation of self-help books?

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Post by dang »

bduerst wrote: post #127
illustriousbear wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People in the security industry have told me that this sort of thing often comes down to ego and self-importance. In Intelligence, people have been caught selling state secrets for 10-20k a pop. The kind of secrets that can land you decades in jail. It makes no sense from a monetary standpoint.

It's likely Levandowski has narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), as is evident by his founding The Way of The Future , which is his own church to worship artificial intelligence.

Please don't do Internet Psychiatric Diagnosis (IPD) on HN.

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%22internet%20psychiatric%20di...

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by solidasparagus »

alexbanks wrote: post #424
solidasparagus wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel you're trying to make a valid point, but you aren't really respecting how much LeBron was an outlier as a prospect. There simply are not plenty of prospects with his size, control, explosiveness, durability and fine motor control. 16 years after LeBron was drafted, we finally saw someone who is as much of an outlier as LeBron in Zion.

> I feel you're trying to make a valid point Thanks? > but you aren't really respecting how much LeBron was an outlier as a prospect This is rewriting history. The thing about signing someone straight from high school is it's tough to know how good they are, given they've mostly spent their whole career stomping normal people. Also I'm not implying Lebron was bad, or even anything less than a top pick. I'm just point…

What you're saying about LeBron as a high-school prospect isn't consistent at all with the consensus at the time. 2003 wasn't that long ago - you can find draft prospect reports that show this. You can also compare his reports to the other top prospects and the difference is palpable. For example here is an excerpt from scout.com

"Simply one of the best high school players in the last decade. Whatever you have heard about him is true. He’s so gifted it’s scary. As a scorer, his range extends to 3-point land. He’s a terrific passer and is quite unselfish. Simply put: his talents are on another level. We can list schools with him until we are blue in the face, but in the end this is the best high school-to-NBA prospect since it became chic to make the jump. LeBron James is a special basketball player, good enough to don the cover of Sports Illustrated as a junior in high school."

Fron nbadraft.net

" He has met and surpassed the hype every step of the way. The game just comes so easily to him, he’s the epitome of a hoops prodigy. He has changed the face of highschool athletics with Nationally televised games being carried by ESPN. He has lived up to the hype and then some every step of the way. Carmelo Anthony has a better jumpshot than LeBron, and a NCAA title under his belt. But LeBron has far superior upside.[...] No one has ever had to overcome this kind of hype as a highschool player."

Here's an article from SI in his junior year - https://vault.si.com/vault/2002/02/18/ahead-of-his-class-ohi...

Quotes:

"OHIO HIGH SCHOOL JUNIOR LEBRON JAMES IS SO GOOD THAT HE'S ALREADY BEING MENTIONED AS THE HEIR TO AIR JORDAN"

"There are only four or five players in the NBA that I wouldn't trade to get LeBron right now," says former Phoenix Suns coach Danny Ainge."

(Also, I think that article illustrates that LeBron didn't have much luck in his life other than his talent)

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by JohnBooty »

alexbanks wrote: post #424
solidasparagus wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel you're trying to make a valid point, but you aren't really respecting how much LeBron was an outlier as a prospect. There simply are not plenty of prospects with his size, control, explosiveness, durability and fine motor control. 16 years after LeBron was drafted, we finally saw someone who is as much of an outlier as LeBron in Zion.

> I feel you're trying to make a valid point Thanks? > but you aren't really respecting how much LeBron was an outlier as a prospect This is rewriting history. The thing about signing someone straight from high school is it's tough to know how good they are, given they've mostly spent their whole career stomping normal people. Also I'm not implying Lebron was bad, or even anything less than a top pick. I'm just point…

    I'm just pointing out that there are quite 
    regularly draft candidates that are touted 
    the same way, that do not end up as a Lebron 
    James.
Can you name examples? I don't think that's correct, at all. Not even Michael Jordan garnered that sort of attention in his early teen years.

Lebron had thousands of people and scouts at his games as a high school freshman and sophomore, and was was on the cover of Sports Illustrated before his junior year of high school.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeBron_James#High_school_caree...

He is such a freakish outlier.

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Post by JohnBooty »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #362
JohnBooty wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we confusing Lance Armstrong and Neil Armstrong?

Hahahaha, yes, I was like ‘wtf, lance armstrong? are coders doping?

Absolutely we are doping! Adderall, modafinil.... caffeine...
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