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Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by bilbo0s »

JohnBooty wrote: post #344
krn wrote: post #304

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> In all seriousness: You shouldn't remote diagnose mental illnesses for anybody. As a counterargument: I am extremely annoyed by the people who publicly criticize the personal traits of others without even considering that they might be affected by a mental disorder.

Those two things aren't necessarily in opposition. For example we can choose to have sympathy and empathy for Kanye West during his public struggles. (Or not. I'm not telling anybody what to do. I don't have strong feelings about the guy myself.) We can recognize that yes, clearly, the man is struggling with something. We can also simultaneously refrain from hamfistedly trying to figure out what, specifically, he's s…

So in your view noting that someone has some issues that they need help with is not the same as remote diagnosis?

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by mensetmanusman »

JohnBooty wrote: post #338
user5994461 wrote: post #312

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Sounds about right. Lance could basically sit down in the rocket and take the fame, while thousands of other people did the work to make the rocket and have it go to the moon and back.

Are we confusing Lance Armstrong and Neil Armstrong?

Hahahaha, yes, I was like ‘wtf, lance armstrong? are coders doping?

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

breck wrote: post #254
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #205

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> Better choice of terms include "Intellectual Control Laws", "Intellectual Bureaucracy Laws", or "Intellectual Slavery Laws I'll go ahead and keep calling them what everyone else does, thanks. > However, it seems to be an unnatural state of affairs, I'm not overly concerned with what is natural. Many good things are not natural. Why not let the market figure it out? Because the market is known to be inefficient for…

> I'll go ahead and keep calling them what everyone else does, thanks. A very pragmatic position. > I mean if it doesn't matter what gets invented... I think inventions matter. But I think our contributions are always marginal compared to what we build upon. If all of the people who say they won't create without monopoly profits stop creating, there will be more than enough people who continue to create that the worl…

> If all of the people who say they won't create without monopoly profits

Trade secrets and monopoly profits are different things. The source code for your business' software is a trade secret, even if you don't have a monopoly. It would be untenable to produce software for profit if any of your employees could walk off with your source code after your investment and set up a competing business selling the same thing at a cut rate.

From the sound of it, you might not find this prospect so sad. I can certainly imagine a world where all software is produced by consortiums of users funding development voluntarily. That doesn't seem to be a common general pattern, however, with the exception of a few programs like Blender or Dwarf Fortress. If it were more efficient for producing good software than the status quo I would personally expect to see it happen naturally more often. There's nothing that prevents such arrangements from being created today.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by Barrin92 »

bduerst wrote: post #129
w0mbat wrote: post #50

This guy had such a sweet deal at Google originally, it staggers me that he'd go to these lengths to steal even more. He was getting a massive salarY, bonuses in the millions, and he had persuaded Google to pay him even more money through a side-hustle company of his while remaining an employee. Then he quits and steals their stuff.

>bonuses in the millions Hundreds of millions. As part of breaching his employment agreement by stealing trade secrets, Levandowski had to pay back one of his bonuses, which was $120 million . I mean, part of paying this type of comp is to retain talent. How much more should Google have paid to retain him? Or was this even preventable?

>I mean, part of paying this type of comp is to retain talent.

As with ever increasing CEO compensation, it has been frequently pointed out that this may be less an issue of performance and more a sort of internal cronyism with tightly connected people being excessively compensated. Given the mythology around tech founders/talent it's not surprising.

As long as the companies grew it was fine, but I honestly think these compensations are on their way out as shareholders at some point have to recognise that this isn't reasonable.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by [deleted] »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #215
bduerst wrote: post #127

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It's likely Levandowski has narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), as is evident by his founding The Way of The Future , which is his own church to worship artificial intelligence.

In all seriousness: You shouldn't remote diagnose mental illnesses for anybody. It's totally frowned upon by psychiatrists and psychologists, who are experts in the field, because it's actually impossible and can do a lot of damage. This has nothing to do with Levandowski not being a full blown greedy asshole and now a criminal too. But the problem is really that doing that can potentially hurt people with mental iss…

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Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by tester34 »

Tomis02 wrote: post #313
tester34 wrote: post #299

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>I don't see many self-driving cars around It doesn't mean that he's not the best, does it?

That's why I was asking for a citation, I want to know by what criteria he was deemed to be the god of self-driving cars.

My take on that but by no means I'm knowledgeable in those topics:

As far as I've heard Waymo was considered to be #1[0] when it comes to self-driving cars, thus it's probably someone of Waymoers

So if he was actually doing a lot of work there (basing on experience and how important for Google he was) then I think it's fair to consider him as a pretendent to be industry leader

[0] - Basing on Googling "most advanced autonomous cars"

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by dragonwriter »

Anthony-G wrote: post #324
dragonwriter wrote: post #283

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> The flip-side of this truism is that this point of view is probably healthier for the individual than seeing themselves as helpless victims. That's not the flip side of that view, because the socialist view of an exploited proletariat in an advanced industrial democracy is not one of “helpless victims”, but of a powerful force that has the power to reverse the power structure once they realize it exists and act in…

I don’t understand why this post is being down-voted as it clearly states one of the foundations of socialism. A quick (and very) simplified summary of the traditional socialist perspective is that in capitalism, the vast majority of the population must work as wage-earners (proletariat) to provide the means to sustain their life. A much smaller group of people (capitalists or bourgeoisie) own the means of production…

> As well as these two primary classes, there are other (smaller) classes in capitalist society,

Not really smaller, the lumpenproletariat and petit bourgeoisie are each generally both numerically larger than the haut bourgeoisie. Less important in terms of the basic class conflict, but not smaller.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by dfxm12 »

Anthony-G wrote: post #324
dragonwriter wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The flip-side of this truism is that this point of view is probably healthier for the individual than seeing themselves as helpless victims. That's not the flip side of that view, because the socialist view of an exploited proletariat in an advanced industrial democracy is not one of “helpless victims”, but of a powerful force that has the power to reverse the power structure once they realize it exists and act in…

I don’t understand why this post is being down-voted as it clearly states one of the foundations of socialism. A quick (and very) simplified summary of the traditional socialist perspective is that in capitalism, the vast majority of the population must work as wage-earners (proletariat) to provide the means to sustain their life. A much smaller group of people (capitalists or bourgeoisie) own the means of production…

Clarity doesn't matter when it comes to politics here. Left views about workers' power like this often get downvoted.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by crazygringo »

CarelessExpert wrote: post #59
hannasanarion wrote: post #41

Why is the government throwing people in jail for leaking trade secrets? Trade secrets aren't supposed to have government protection, that's the entire point: they're risky. If you want a monopoly on your technology, you're supposed to file a patent. Trade secrets were invented as a riskier way to extend your monopoly by giving up government protection. If the government is going to give trade secrets the same protec…

> Trade secrets were invented as a riskier way to extend your monopoly by giving up government protection. You're definitely mistaken on that point. Trade secrets enjoy protection in the law, both in the US and worldwide: https://www.uspto.gov/ip-policy/trade-secret-policy > If the government is going to give trade secrets the same protection as patents (or even more, because patent infringement doesn't come with jai…

Wow, I just want to say thanks for that info.

I thought I had a decent layman's knowledge of intellectual property across copyright, patents and trademarks, and had no idea trade secrets had any kind of legal protection whatsoever.

Very important knowledge to be aware of. Thanks for spreading the word.

Particularly interesting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_secret#Misappropriation

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by tacocataco »

Anthony-G wrote: post #324
dragonwriter wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The flip-side of this truism is that this point of view is probably healthier for the individual than seeing themselves as helpless victims. That's not the flip side of that view, because the socialist view of an exploited proletariat in an advanced industrial democracy is not one of “helpless victims”, but of a powerful force that has the power to reverse the power structure once they realize it exists and act in…

I don’t understand why this post is being down-voted as it clearly states one of the foundations of socialism. A quick (and very) simplified summary of the traditional socialist perspective is that in capitalism, the vast majority of the population must work as wage-earners (proletariat) to provide the means to sustain their life. A much smaller group of people (capitalists or bourgeoisie) own the means of production…

Can you recommend leftist authors other then marx and Engle? I've read their stuff but I'm open to more.

Appreciate your time. Peace

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