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Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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I'm happy to see stuff like this. I'd be even happier if the tricks to get video to play were somehow canceled. I have adblocker and video blockers, but somehow, news sites have a video that plays. If I scroll off the page, the video pops out into the lower right hand of the page and resumes playing, even if the big version of the video at the top of the page was stopped /paused (which it is by default), and it needs…

You're not the only one, and the worst examples are news sites. Pretty darn annoying if you're in a boring videocall, want to read some news and then suddenly your speaker blaring ads reminds everyone you're not paying attention...

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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> fortunately at some places multiple developers used uBlock so it wasn't as hard as making the case alone. Is adblocking not common? Every tech literate person I know uses an ad blocker. I'd say about 30-40% of millennials I know use them, most using ADB or uBlock Origin. Every time I see someone using a browser with ads I forget what a nightmare the internet is.

Only 30% of FF users have any add-ons at all. Only about 1/3 of those have adblock plus or unlock origin.

Alternatively, only 1/3 of Firefox users that also do not disable telemetry have any add-ons at all.

More than a handful choose that browser for privacy, including keeping stuff private from Mozilla.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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> fortunately at some places multiple developers used uBlock so it wasn't as hard as making the case alone. Is adblocking not common? Every tech literate person I know uses an ad blocker. I'd say about 30-40% of millennials I know use them, most using ADB or uBlock Origin. Every time I see someone using a browser with ads I forget what a nightmare the internet is.

Anecdotal, but I've pushed close friends who are reasonably technical to install an ad blocker. Without my urging, they wouldn't have had one at all. When I come across someone who doesn't adblock, it surprises me, but it really shouldn't, as it seems most people don't have an ad blocker.

I still don't use an ad blocker. I know all the arguments for ad blocking and I agree with many of them. I know what difference it makes in terms of performance and annoyance.

But I just can't bring myself to indiscriminately block all ads, knowing how important they are as a funding source for the websites I use.

There's only one thing that destroys privacy even more thoroughly than ad targeting: payment.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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> Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0; blocking redirect trackers by default Isnt that what is used with Google Search? For example if you go here: https://www.google.com/search?q=sunday the first result appears to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday but its really: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...

I find this annoying and noticed this change a year or so ago. Google used to just give you the (as far as I could tell) unadulterated link. In fact, at the time I wondered how/if Google were actually able to track how many people clicked the top link in the results, because it seemed to be the real URL and stayed real even when clicked. I figured they either had so much faith in PageRank that they didn't need to mon…

You may have noticed it a year ago but Google's been doing this redirect in their search results for 5+ years.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Even less data if you use uBlock Origin and possibly uMatrix (which is very high maintenance, but also reveals the utter insanity of the web). Without an adblocker the internet is such a slow heap of trash that I'd never go back to not using one. This is also one of the main reasons I use my iPhone so little, since it doesn't really have any way to adblock.

> This is also one of the main reasons I use my iPhone so little, since it doesn't really have any way to adblock. You can block ads in Safari iOS with a Content Blocker. 1Blocker is pretty robust: https://1blocker.com/ Firefox for iOS also has Tracking Protection built in, which blocks most ads.

Safari's content blocker API isn't really comparable to something like Ublock Origin.

It'll definitely help with the web if your goal is just to speed things up and make things look better, but if you're worried about privacy, iOS's browser is going to be less thorough than other platforms. It doesn't even support page-source rewrites, let alone protecting against more advanced anti-adblock techniques like CNAME cloaking.

Funnily enough, this has come up a few times in the context of Chrome's manifest V3 changes, where people have asked why it matters since Safari already works pretty similarly to what Google is proposing. Ironically, the answer is that the similarity is exactly why we know it's a bad idea for Chrome to go in the same direction. Safari has less effective adblocking compared to where the rest of the industry is at.

It's always going to be easier to bypass what is effectively a declarative DNS blocklist than it is to bypass a system that can run blocking logic per-request.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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I've gone back and forth between Firefox and Chrome. It's just that Firefox is noticeably slower than Chrome (or at least was about a year ago). Even simply switching between open tabs around what feels like 0.5 seconds , whereas on Chrome, tab switching is instantaneous. I've run Firefox in multi-process mode (since that was an option), but even with it, in general it seems like Firefox gets noticeably slower than C…

Hi! We at Mozilla certainly don't see that! I'm at 815 tabs in this window alone and switching is instantaneous. Did you happen to file a bug report about this atypical behavior?

FWIW, Firefox is slower for me on certain pages. I keep Chrome installed for things like Google Docs. For example, in the word processor, it tries to save the document every few keystrokes and Firefox will hang for 5-10 seconds whereas on Chrome it's so fast it isn't noticeable.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotal, but I've pushed close friends who are reasonably technical to install an ad blocker. Without my urging, they wouldn't have had one at all. When I come across someone who doesn't adblock, it surprises me, but it really shouldn't, as it seems most people don't have an ad blocker.

I still don't use an ad blocker. I know all the arguments for ad blocking and I agree with many of them. I know what difference it makes in terms of performance and annoyance. But I just can't bring myself to indiscriminately block all ads, knowing how important they are as a funding source for the websites I use. There's only one thing that destroys privacy even more thoroughly than ad targeting: payment.

Out of curiosity, do you mind sharing what sorts of websites you use that you feel this loyalty towards?

News, community, educational, etc? Is it a small group of sites, or a wide variety?

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Epic games seems to be using captchas for ue4 accounts that break for Firefox users who are using tracking protection. Not a complaint against Firefox, just very annoyed by game dev in general for privacy reasons.

- more or less forced to use windows for development / to access marketplace content - have to modify engine source code to disable analytics - have to use Chrome to access their sites and dashboards

I really miss my old Linux setup

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