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Order of magnitude estimate of Beirut explosion at 3 kilotons of TNT

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Re: Order of magnitude estimate of Beirut explosion at 3 kilotons of TNT

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Similar in size to the Halifax explosion, then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Explosion

So .... some discussion in this thread suggests that the Halifax explosion was still 10x the size of this one... ish.

just in case you don't end up seeing that part of the post from other people.

Re: Order of magnitude estimate of Beirut explosion at 3 kilotons of TNT

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It's hard to imagine, but that would mean this explosion was nearly 3.5x larger than 2015 Tianjin[1] which was 800 tonnes of ammonium nitrate (336 tons TNT equivalent). The video[2] from Tianjin looked way bigger and apocalyptic, but perhaps just because of the the fireball. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Tianjin_explosions [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONsmJAyFAAw

Yeah, honestly, the Beirut explosion looked bigger/scarier to me, like how they show nuclear explosions in the movies. The Tianjin explosion was an enormous fireball but didn't seem to have the same magnitude of shockwave from the videos I've seen of it.

It was at night, of course you don't see the shockwave lol.

Tianjin was definitely bigger, Beirut has people surviving that were a couple hundred m away. That didn't happen in the former: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkDtMl5Ec7k

Re: Order of magnitude estimate of Beirut explosion at 3 kilotons of TNT

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Similar in size to the Halifax explosion, then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Explosion

It should be obvious that it's more like 10 times smaller than Halifax, otherwise we wouldn't have gotten half the footage we are seeing right now, those people would be dead.

Re: Order of magnitude estimate of Beirut explosion at 3 kilotons of TNT

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is saying that military intelligence indicates that it's a bomb: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tPvH-CqH7Q8 Edit: why am I being downvoted. I am not agreeing with him or saying he is right. Just stating what was said. It seems noteworthy that the president of the US commented on it regardless of accuracy or trustworthiness.

Why is Trump used as a source on HN? I don’t think I’ve ever seen that man say something that was useful or true. I’m not American, mind you, so I’m certainly biased because he’s mainly in our media when he does something stupid, but everything I have ever heard him say about Europe has been so far from the truth that it’s hard to take his word on anything.

It might be worth mentioning in some context, just not necessarily in the form it was mentioned above.

Re: Order of magnitude estimate of Beirut explosion at 3 kilotons of TNT

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@quantian1 correctly determined that this was an ammonium nitrate blast by analyzing the footage: https://twitter.com/quantian1/status/1290695231910875136 CHEMISTRY FACT: Explosives have characteristic "detonation velocities" at which shockwaves expand. Smartphone video records at 30 FPS, so the adjacent frames here suggest the front expands at ~100 m/(1/30 sec), or 3,000 m/sec. Consistent with ammonium nitrate, not…

Some chemist acquaintances of mine suggested the same from just looking at the footage immediately after. Along with some scary explanations of what fast shockwaves like that do to human blood vessels. I was convinced this stuff should be outlawed for most uses pretty fast. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_nitrate_disasters Though on the other hand, the number of incidents and deaths aren't that high considerin…

> I was convinced this stuff should be outlawed for most uses pretty fast.

Let's outlaw cars and kitchen knives as well.

Oh and... guns? Outlaw guns in America? :) They can be dangerous too.

Re: Order of magnitude estimate of Beirut explosion at 3 kilotons of TNT

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@quantian1 correctly determined that this was an ammonium nitrate blast by analyzing the footage: https://twitter.com/quantian1/status/1290695231910875136 CHEMISTRY FACT: Explosives have characteristic "detonation velocities" at which shockwaves expand. Smartphone video records at 30 FPS, so the adjacent frames here suggest the front expands at ~100 m/(1/30 sec), or 3,000 m/sec. Consistent with ammonium nitrate, not…

There’s an even easier giveaway - the bloody great cloud of NO2 that immediately appears. I think anyone who’s ever seen a fertiliser dump go up will have immediately recognised this explosion - reminded me of my childhood, when we’d regularly go and explode things with the stuff.

Re: Order of magnitude estimate of Beirut explosion at 3 kilotons of TNT

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Some chemist acquaintances of mine suggested the same from just looking at the footage immediately after. Along with some scary explanations of what fast shockwaves like that do to human blood vessels. I was convinced this stuff should be outlawed for most uses pretty fast. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_nitrate_disasters Though on the other hand, the number of incidents and deaths aren't that high considerin…

> I was convinced this stuff should be outlawed for most uses pretty fast. Let's outlaw cars and kitchen knives as well. Oh and... guns? Outlaw guns in America? :) They can be dangerous too.

Don't forget cars, they kill an average of 40k people a year since the 50s in the US.

Re: Order of magnitude estimate of Beirut explosion at 3 kilotons of TNT

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You can decrease such risks by mixing carbonate minerals (calcium-carbonate and magnesium carboante) into the AN fertilizer, as done in EU counties (and probably in the rest of the world as well).

Not to mention that you don't need to store 2750 tonnes of it in a warehouse in a harbour in a large city like Beirut.

Turns out it wasn’t voluntary - an unscrupulous ship owner abandoned their crew, vessel and cargo when the vessel was deemed unseaworthy - they’ve been trying to get rid of it for years.

It’s not the most stable stuff, but with wet nitrate you’ll usually just get a fierce fire, not a detonation - but if a percussive shell from the fireworks landed in it and then detonated, that would be enough to make it go bang.

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