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Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by markmark »

pjmlp wrote: post #180
twblalock wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why shouldn't it be Electron? Should it be GTK? Why not QT? Linux doesn't have a standard desktop environment or widget toolkit. Electron doesn't seem like a worse choice than the other options, and it's easy to find engineers who know how to work with it. 1Password doesn't just store passwords. It has a bunch of other features. It's a fairly complex app at this point. It also has fairly similar user experiences in W…

I have been coding UIs since 1992, how did we managed to pull it off in a more heterogeneous computing world without Electron, I wonder. PWAs and Web Widgets I can stand behind, Electron is just laziness at the expense of the user.

We managed it by nobody bothering to write apps for Linux.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by comice »

pandatigox wrote: post #71
comice wrote: post #28

I just moved from (paid) 1p to bitwarden at the weekend due to lack of proper Linux support. I was just testing bitwarden and found I couldn't easily get a good export of my passwords from 1p on Linux, because only their desktop apps support that. It won't run under wine and I ended up installing a Windows VM specifically to do the export. Was so frustrated at this it pushed me to move to bitwarden. Good for them for…

If you used Firefox or Chrome, then you could use 1Password X for Linux systems. But I'm guessing from the (paid) part that you weren't using their sync?

I used the browser tool (and 1p sync) but it still didn't support export to 1PIF format afaikt, which only the desktop GUI tools supported.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by Hawxy »

foobiekr wrote: post #173
emdowling wrote: post #30

I’ve been using 1Password every day for over 11 years now. The oldest passwords I’ve got stored are for Twitter and Dropbox (yes, the passwords have been changed but the records were first created in 2009). It’s one of those apps which has been made with proper craftsmanship and care, so while I’m not a Linux user, I’d have no problem recommending based solely on Agilebit’s reputation.

I am a 1password user, and have bene for about the same amount of time, but I've been slowly looking for an alternative. Unless I'm mistaken, 1Password no longer ephemerally decrypts passwords as needed and only while used and then scrubs the memory. [1, old but still] The excuse, if I remember it, was that garbage collected languages made this challenging. Even so, there is some irony in them moving away from the te…

> The excuse, if I remember it, was that garbage collected languages made this challenging

This is one of the main reasons why the core of 1password was rewritten in Rust: https://support.1password.com/kb/201902a/

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by bithaze »

karlshea wrote: post #152
emdowling wrote: post #30

I’ve been using 1Password every day for over 11 years now. The oldest passwords I’ve got stored are for Twitter and Dropbox (yes, the passwords have been changed but the records were first created in 2009). It’s one of those apps which has been made with proper craftsmanship and care, so while I’m not a Linux user, I’d have no problem recommending based solely on Agilebit’s reputation.

It's made with proper craftsmanship and care on the Mac (which is primarily where I've been using it for years). The Windows client is much better after the last major release, but it's never been as slick as the Mac version (the biggest wart now is the system tray/browser extension popup). 1Password X looks nice until you try and use it, and all the company reps on the forums are very argumentative about any feature…

> all the company reps on the forums are very argumentative about any feature request

I've observed this as well and it's frustrating. Usability took a dive when the list view for entries was removed (in favor of the rich icon, column-based layout), having to manually check identically named entries to find one with the right username, but their support staff was seriously adamant about the feature not being worth the development effort because of how few people had used it. It got me looking for alternatives but I haven't switched away yet.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by mastazi »

I'm deeply unsatisfied with Lastpass (especially the state of their desktop apps: the Windows app is complete garbage and the Mac app is just a re-skinned version of Lastpass for Safari - or the other way around, not sure) knowing that 1Password care about desktop apps might convince me to switch.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by _b8r0 »

I was a 1Password user from when it was fully self-hosted until they started pulling bait and switch tactics to move people to subscriptions and online vaults[1]. I also had Windows licences, and Windows was certainly a 2nd class citizen while I used 1Password. And of course, it doesn't look like the 1Password Linux client is open source. The back-end certainly isn't.

I switched to Keepass[2] initially, synchronised with NextCloud but it wasn't intuitive enough for everyone. We moved everyone to Bitwarden a few years ago using bitwarden_rs[3] and have never looked back.

[1] - https://medium.com/@kennwhite/who-moved-my-cheese-1password-...

[2] - https://keepassxc.org/

[3] - https://github.com/dani-garcia/bitwarden_rs

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by pjmlp »

markmark wrote: post #201
pjmlp wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been coding UIs since 1992, how did we managed to pull it off in a more heterogeneous computing world without Electron, I wonder. PWAs and Web Widgets I can stand behind, Electron is just laziness at the expense of the user.

We managed it by nobody bothering to write apps for Linux.

They still don't bother, writing Web apps packed in an Chromium wrapper isn't writing apps for Linux.

There are plenty of Gtk and Qt based applications for Linux.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by rawoke083600 »

I have been looking into a good passwd-manager for linux and my android phone for the last week or so: Most of them look so "blingy" I can't get myself to trust it ! I'm 51% convinced myself just to code my own (I know , I know)

I've recently switched over from Ubuntu-Genome to Ubuntu-i3 and now for the life of me, I can't get chrome to sync/autofill/remember my passwords :( - Same user just different desktop/wm, why is chrome so good and so bad ! Anyone have any ideas how to fix chrome or can recommended a "unix-spirit(do one thing etc...)" password-manager for Linux+Android+Chrome ?

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by [deleted] »

foobiekr wrote: post #173
emdowling wrote: post #30

I’ve been using 1Password every day for over 11 years now. The oldest passwords I’ve got stored are for Twitter and Dropbox (yes, the passwords have been changed but the records were first created in 2009). It’s one of those apps which has been made with proper craftsmanship and care, so while I’m not a Linux user, I’d have no problem recommending based solely on Agilebit’s reputation.

I am a 1password user, and have bene for about the same amount of time, but I've been slowly looking for an alternative. Unless I'm mistaken, 1Password no longer ephemerally decrypts passwords as needed and only while used and then scrubs the memory. [1, old but still] The excuse, if I remember it, was that garbage collected languages made this challenging. Even so, there is some irony in them moving away from the te…

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Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by nucleardog »

nucleardog wrote: post #139
musicale wrote: post #124

I pulled the plug on 1password because I hate subscriptions. There is also no logical reason to pay agile bits for single-purpose back-end infrastructure when we already have dropbox, etc.. An encrypted password file is tiny. Subscription apps (and subscriptions in general) are simply not scalable in their current implementation.

I don’t even mind subscriptions but they’ve still lost me as a customer for bundling the subscription pricing along with an extremely hard push into storing all my most sensitive data “in the cloud”. Still rocking my 1Password 4 license on Windows and OSX from years ago with no plans on upgrading. When I’m finally forced to, I’ll simply switch to another product.

Having had it made clear to me again that AgileBits doesn't care for my particular market segment, I finally decided to stop using 1Password4 and holding out hope that one day they'd release something that provided the same functionality.

I'd tried a lot of password managers before and never found any that quite fit as well as 1Password, which is why I was still using it.

I'd tried Keepass and its variants every time but it was never _quite_ there. The interface was clunky and things that I expected to be core to the product (additional fields, OTP, etc) were addons.

Stumbled on KeepassXC this time. Solved most of those problems. Certainly well enough to replace the old, unsupported software I'd been using for something as important as my most vital secrets and identity documents.

Just got everything migrated over.

Bye, AgileBits! After 5 years it's been... swell?

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