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Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by awnird » Wed, Aug 05, 2020, 4:40 AM UTC

momokoko wrote: post #198

bduerst wrote: post #127

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It's likely Levandowski has narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), as is evident by his founding The Way of The Future , which is his own church to worship artificial intelligence.

You cannot seriously believe “narcissistic personality disorder” is a real thing, right? This has to be the most “it came from social media” I’ve read on HN in a while. Every personality trait you don’t like or is difficult to deal with is not a “disorder”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_dis...

It’s been recognized as a “real thing” for decades.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by rorykoehler » Wed, Aug 05, 2020, 4:41 AM UTC

momokoko wrote: post #198

bduerst wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's likely Levandowski has narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), as is evident by his founding The Way of The Future , which is his own church to worship artificial intelligence.

You cannot seriously believe “narcissistic personality disorder” is a real thing, right? This has to be the most “it came from social media” I’ve read on HN in a while. Every personality trait you don’t like or is difficult to deal with is not a “disorder”

The narcissistic personality was first described by the psychoanalyst Robert Waelder, in 1925; furthermore, the term narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) was coined by Heinz Kohut in 1968.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disor...

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by Thorrez » Wed, Aug 05, 2020, 4:43 AM UTC

cowsandmilk wrote: post #53

credit_guy wrote: post #40

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When you say "literally" do you mean to imply he literally paid someone? That's quite implausible.

He can pay lawyers to make the arguments for delaying until after Covid. A public defender isn’t going to do that for you.

> Earlier this month, Gov. Gavin Newsom announced plans to alleviate the outbreak by releasing as many as 8,000 inmates and further reducing the population by about 10,000 through delayed admissions.[1]

I would guess some of them had public defenders. Although I guess they got it without even having to argue for it. Did Levandowski's lawyer argue for it? According to the article Levendowski's lawyer argued for home confinement (unsuccessfully, obviously).

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20200802050956/https://www.latim...

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by Thorrez » Wed, Aug 05, 2020, 4:47 AM UTC

6nf wrote: post #130

pauljurczak wrote: post #119

It just proves that if you want to do a crime, do the white collar crime. White gloves treatment will ensue, if you get caught.

Don't steal $5,000 from the liqor store, that will get you arrested at gunpoint and you'll spend many years in prison. Instead steal $50,000,000 and you'll probably still be rich once you pay the fines and complete the community service or home arrest.

He's going to get 18 months in prison, and he's bankrupt. I don't know why you say he's only getting home arrest and will still be rich.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg » Wed, Aug 05, 2020, 4:48 AM UTC

breck wrote: post #197

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #122

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> I'm saying that perhaps trade secret laws are good for billionaires, bad for everyone else. Sure. In a certain, short-sighted sense, so are any property rights. Trade secret law is important for anyone who wants to invest in the creation of high value intellectual property that won't be protected with patents. Without such protection, there is much less incentive for investment. Billionaires are one group of people…

> so are any property rights. The term "Intellectual Property" is a red herring. You cannot have property rights and IP rights. Logically it doesn't work (if you say my computer is my property, but that I can't arrange the bits how I want, then it is not my property). This case is well made in many places so I won't regurgitate much further. But it's important to clarify that the term is a euphemism and is in direct…

> Better choice of terms include "Intellectual Control Laws", "Intellectual Bureaucracy Laws", or "Intellectual Slavery Laws

I'll go ahead and keep calling them what everyone else does, thanks.

> However, it seems to be an unnatural state of affairs,

I'm not overly concerned with what is natural. Many good things are not natural. Why not let the market figure it out? Because the market is known to be inefficient for the production of non-rival, non-excludable goods. Traditional macro econ theory suggests that without protection these goods will be produced less than they ought. There are other solutions to the problem besides government intervention, but the ones I'm aware of require very high levels of consumer coordination.

> We are all putting grains of sand on mountains built by our ancestors.

Then you shouldn't be too bothered about the restriction on handling of trade secrets by folks other than their owners. I mean if it doesn't matter what gets invented, who cares whether someone owns it or not?

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by ender341341 » Wed, Aug 05, 2020, 4:48 AM UTC

ashtonkem wrote: post #193

w0mbat wrote: post #50

This guy had such a sweet deal at Google originally, it staggers me that he'd go to these lengths to steal even more. He was getting a massive salarY, bonuses in the millions, and he had persuaded Google to pay him even more money through a side-hustle company of his while remaining an employee. Then he quits and steals their stuff.

Giving up $120mil and going to an American prison, never an easy thing, during a pandemic .

It sounds like he gets to wait for after the pandemic.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by Thorrez » Wed, Aug 05, 2020, 4:49 AM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #189

smabie wrote: post #181

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If it's your first offense and don't have a weapon and don't hurt anyone, stealing from a liquor store won't get you very much time at all.

Yes but if it's your first offense in the world of multimillion dollar white collar crime you'll probably get an ankle monitor and house arrest. Or six months... I've seen a number of people banned for life from securities trading in British Columbia, for frauds exceeding 10 million, and they received basically no prison sentence at all.

Canada (and most of the world) has much lower prison sentences than the US.

> To give an example, the average burglary sentence in the United States is 16 months, compared to 5 months in Canada and 7 months in England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_United_States_in...

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by bagacrap » Wed, Aug 05, 2020, 4:49 AM UTC

strogonoff wrote: post #195

Wait. The guy essentially says “I committed a crime, will pay US$XXX million, but we had it in our contract that the guys who hired me would take the blame, so make them pay me US$X billion .” Am I reading that correctly? Can that contract even remain legally recognized? Sorting out quarrels between entities who were found cooperating in a crime, evaluating whether one should compensate the other for failing to uphol…

No, it's a bit more complicated as Lev alleges he was unfairly screwed out of ownership of Otto (Uber Freight).

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by enraged_camel » Wed, Aug 05, 2020, 4:51 AM UTC

55555 wrote: post #85

enraged_camel wrote: post #76

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If it's any consolation: the more money you have, the more painful a jail sentence, even a short one like this, is, because the opportunity cost is massive .

Wow. The opportunity cost of spending part of your life in prison is not measured in dollars. I mean, I guess Anthony might measure it in dollars, but that's really, really far gone.

The literal definition of "opportunity cost" of something is what that thing costs you in terms of opportunity, i.e. what you could have done otherwise.

If you have millions of dollars in the bank, then you can do a LOT more stuff than some poor schmuck. The opportunity cost of having that freedom taken away, therefore, is a lot higher.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by steve_adams_86 » Wed, Aug 05, 2020, 4:52 AM UTC

momokoko wrote: post #198

bduerst wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's likely Levandowski has narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), as is evident by his founding The Way of The Future , which is his own church to worship artificial intelligence.

You cannot seriously believe “narcissistic personality disorder” is a real thing, right? This has to be the most “it came from social media” I’ve read on HN in a while. Every personality trait you don’t like or is difficult to deal with is not a “disorder”

You should do some reading about it. I don't mean that like "go educate yourself", more like you might be surprised how fascinating is. I thought for as long as I can remember that it was a term excusing people being awful. Labels for everything. After reading some books about it I was left feeling... A lot of things.

It's a little unnerving, extremely nuanced, complicated, and fascinating. I've come to see it more as a description for a mode of being that's actually very important to understand to some extent and to figure into how you understand the world. A label like NPD does it no justice, like any other label for the way a human might behave. I highly recommend giving the idea a chance and thinking about how it might fit into your life.

I think it's important not to sensationalize it. In fact, it's probably far more typical and mundane in most instances. I've come to believe it's widespread but generally only acknowledged or recognized in extreme cases. A typical case of the topology only revealing the mountains from among the rolling hills.