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Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by burnte »

emdowling wrote: post #30

I’ve been using 1Password every day for over 11 years now. The oldest passwords I’ve got stored are for Twitter and Dropbox (yes, the passwords have been changed but the records were first created in 2009). It’s one of those apps which has been made with proper craftsmanship and care, so while I’m not a Linux user, I’d have no problem recommending based solely on Agilebit’s reputation.

I used KeePass, then LastPAss, then tried 1Password about 8 years ago. I haven't even considered changing. I joined when they were still mostly focused on MacOS and iOS, the Windows and Android apps were secondary. Since then they really shifted to a totally cross platform experience, and I'm incredibly happy with the app. I'm glad they're branching out to Linux.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by the_snooze »

kanobo wrote: post #5

Is this better than just using KeepPassXC with a simple kbdx file synced to an online drive? It's an honest question, I've never used 1Password before.

I switched from KeePass to 1Password mainly to get my family on it. They really appreciated the clean workflow once they got used to it after a couple days. And the auto-sync feature combined with the mobile app has been useful for when they have to enter the Netflix password on various devices.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by burnte »

nikitaga wrote: post #41
dteare wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no Roustem but I'm close. :) You're right, 1Password for Linux integrates tightly with the 1password.com service and as such does not support local vaults.

...why? Of all possible target audiences it would seem Linux users would be the least receptive to this kind of thing. Forgive my bluntness, but to me this looks like you're just testing forced adoption of 1password.com hosted SaaS on a platform you don't really care about before rolling out the same to Mac & Windows. Which would be unfortunate.

1password as a SaaS app has been out for years, this is not a testing balloon.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by burnte »

ben509 wrote: post #49
ceocoder wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Appreciate your response. I'll reiterate what I've said past threads - I love 1Password a lot, and used it exclusively from 2012 to early 2020, in addition to using it personally I converted majority of my extended family to it as well. What irks me is that I paid for the desktop (macOS) app and iOS app once back in 2012 and once again for 1Password 7 (or 6?) upgrade, that is not enough to support the company and is…

> I really don't want to store my passwords on your "servers", and I'm sure there are few others like me - not a majority. Businesswise, it makes sense as a first push: get a solid UX working for existing 1pass users who sync via the cloud better access on Linux. Then move on to the less glamarous parts like local vaults. > I just don't want anything to do with my entire vault being hosted elsewhere, potentially irra…

If you can't trust them to host an encrypted blob, you can't trust them to run code on your local machine. I agree with you that the resistance isn't rational.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by burnte »

varenc wrote: post #34
dteare wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no Roustem but I'm close. :) You're right, 1Password for Linux integrates tightly with the 1password.com service and as such does not support local vaults.

Is this a preview of things to come for Mac/Windows? Will 1Password stop supporting self-hosted vaults?

No, this has been available for YEARS on Mac/Win, so it's not a preview of anything. Self hosted vaults haven't been in the new apps for years either, although the last version to support local vaults is still available.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by derefr »

nikitaga wrote: post #41
dteare wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no Roustem but I'm close. :) You're right, 1Password for Linux integrates tightly with the 1password.com service and as such does not support local vaults.

...why? Of all possible target audiences it would seem Linux users would be the least receptive to this kind of thing. Forgive my bluntness, but to me this looks like you're just testing forced adoption of 1password.com hosted SaaS on a platform you don't really care about before rolling out the same to Mac & Windows. Which would be unfortunate.

I can't speak for them, but it's my impression from using 1Password for a good few years (both the local-vault product, and then the "account" subscription service) that local vaults are basically deprecated, even though they work fine. They're just not a good way for AgileBits to make money. So they'll keep them working in the software for existing customers who paid for them and expected them to work; but they won't add new features to them (except by coincidence as part of architecture-level updates) and won't bring them to new platforms where they weren't originally promised to work. They're a legacy feature, serving legacy customers.

For the same reason that they won't bring local vaults to Linux, I don't think they'll ever kill local vaults for macOS or Windows. There are customers who paid for that product, and expect it to still work. (And, unlike e.g. an old version of Photoshop, it's implicit in the USP of a "password manager" product that it'll continue to get updated so that it works on new OSes and so forth, so that you can still have access to your passwords. You can't just stop supporting it; that'd break the whole value-prop of the product, retroactively, and so break the trust of future customers in any "password manager" products you have today.)

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by no_wizard »

alexandrerond wrote: post #44

I switched to "pass" from 1p and it is a breeze because it just works without all the bullshit and I don't have to place any trust on a company saying they do things right (they will never tell otherwise). And 1password never cared about Linux. I had to custom-script data export, they pretty much held data hostage by making it difficult to migrate from the platform, not to speak of the undocumented data formats. But…

I have to call this out as a bit of a hyperbole.

They already participate, quite openly, in security audits[0], and while yes, I'd love it if it was OSS too, but the reality of making money on these services is that (especially I believe at the time 1Password was founded), is it wouldn't have likely done them any good, really. In fact it could hurt their business. I believe 1Password was one of (but not the only!) pioneers of this being a successful consumer business.

Notably, I don't think its worth detracting from a fantastic product based solely on the license of its underlying software. I'm also not aware of any 1Password data breaches.

As far as exporting goes, you can simply generate a CSV file (or plain txt)[1] as well. Not sure what the issue there was, I'd be curious to know.

While I like OSS too, and prefer it when able, I think its a stretch to say they're holding their users hostage if they want to migrate away, not to mention being OSS isn't really a predicate as to whether the software & user experience is actually any good.

disclaimer: I don't work for 1Password, but I've used it for over a decade.

[0]https://support.1password.com/security-assessments/

[1]https://support.1password.com/export/

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by Thorentis »

KeepassXC is the perfect solution in my opinion. It is open source, has a huge number of features (that don't get in the way of basic usage), and has mobile apps and desktop apps that work well on all platforms. Right now I am using it on Windows, Mac, AND Linux, as well as my Android phone. I have it syncing over Dropbox, but you can sync it however you like. The Android app automatically fetches the latest version, and supports auto-complete etc. I see no reason to pay for a password manager or use something that isn't open source.
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