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Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by nikitaga »

dteare wrote: post #14
ceocoder wrote: post #9

Unfortunately this only works with hosted 1Password (as far as I can tell), there doesn't seem to be any support for self hosted vaults. Can Roustem or anyone else from 1Password team clarify this? This was the precise reason I switched to BitWarden 6 months ago, needed a solution where my passwords didn't leave my network.

I'm no Roustem but I'm close. :) You're right, 1Password for Linux integrates tightly with the 1password.com service and as such does not support local vaults.

...why? Of all possible target audiences it would seem Linux users would be the least receptive to this kind of thing.

Forgive my bluntness, but to me this looks like you're just testing forced adoption of 1password.com hosted SaaS on a platform you don't really care about before rolling out the same to Mac & Windows. Which would be unfortunate.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by abrowne »

kanobo wrote: post #5

Is this better than just using KeepPassXC with a simple kbdx file synced to an online drive? It's an honest question, I've never used 1Password before.

I used older version of 1Password on Mac and use KeePassXC on Ubuntu now. 1P is definitely slicker, and presumably the subscription comes with support. For me, not a worthwhile trade-off, but could be worth if for some people, especially those with many devices to keep in sync and business users.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by alexandrerond »

I switched to "pass" from 1p and it is a breeze because it just works without all the bullshit and I don't have to place any trust on a company saying they do things right (they will never tell otherwise).

And 1password never cared about Linux. I had to custom-script data export, they pretty much held data hostage by making it difficult to migrate from the platform, not to speak of the undocumented data formats. But at least we did not have to install some closed source propietary thing to do something as critical as password management (browser sandboxing seems slightly better). If they cared they would open up their client‘s code for everyone to peek.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by igravious »

dastx wrote: post #2

Ooh boy. This is amazing. The horrible Linux support they had was the reason I left 1Password. This might make me go back to 1Password.

Don't they have browser plugins? That's how use Lastpass on Ubuntu. I mean, besides Electron apps, who actually makes native Linux apps? (joking, not joking)

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by Krasnol »

PascLeRasc wrote: post #20
awinder wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a recent windows 10 convert from Mac and a 1password user for years, I have disagreements with my buddy who is a long time windows user along these lines _all_ the time. He thinks I’m insane for essentially paying for UI I prefer (I would disagree I think there’s some structural differences, but I’m okay with being reduced to that too). It’s like asking why someone buys anything, the products exist and sell and m…

I'm also happy to pay for better UI alone but that does seem to offend some people. It's usually the same people who if they find out you take vitamins will start telling you what the placebo effect is.

The reason usually is that there are people with a lot of money to throw around and there are others with less money who instead invest time to research where they can save it on a product. If then they not only find a way to save money on a product but also one with more features (so more for less) than the one people throw money at, they are in disbelieve why somebody would throw that money on the worse alternative.

I see this as quite reasonable thinking for somebody who never had too much money.

Of course it might be that in this case the much more obvious is the case: throwing your most important data into a cloud on a close source system is kinda..."optimistic".

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by ben509 »

ceocoder wrote: post #29
dteare wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no Roustem but I'm close. :) You're right, 1Password for Linux integrates tightly with the 1password.com service and as such does not support local vaults.

Appreciate your response. I'll reiterate what I've said past threads - I love 1Password a lot, and used it exclusively from 2012 to early 2020, in addition to using it personally I converted majority of my extended family to it as well. What irks me is that I paid for the desktop (macOS) app and iOS app once back in 2012 and once again for 1Password 7 (or 6?) upgrade, that is not enough to support the company and is…

> I really don't want to store my passwords on your "servers", and I'm sure there are few others like me - not a majority.

Businesswise, it makes sense as a first push: get a solid UX working for existing 1pass users who sync via the cloud better access on Linux. Then move on to the less glamarous parts like local vaults.

> I just don't want anything to do with my entire vault being hosted elsewhere, potentially irrational...

There is no logical mechanism that can tell you the correct amount of risk to take on, and yet you can't take actions without accepting some degree of risk. You can't justify your tolerance of risk, so it can't be rational, and yet you have to take an action, therefore you can't be fairly accused of being irrational. It's thus neither; I call it "arational" behavior.

You might think, hold on, there's a logical way: I'll look at what happens to a group of people pursuing different risk strategies, then model the expected risk vs return, and thus I can determine the optimal level of risk.

But I'd argue it's fallacious to apply that general claim to the individual. For one, you invariably have a set of outliers who were overly risky and beat the odds, were they all wrong? If not, what's the cutoff point, and why? (And likewise, a set of outliers who were unlucky despite being overly conservative, were they also wrong?)

Another reason is, as they say in finance, "past performance is no guarantee of future results." Any model you come up with to justify a risk strategy can and will be invalidated as history unfolds.

Re: 1Password for Linux development preview

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Post by chrysoprace »

Can't say I'd ever personally use 1Password over something open source like Bitwarden, however the intriguing thing about this post is that they're using Rust for their Linux client backend. If only this was open source; we could peek under the covers and see what technology they're using.
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