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Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by Mekantis »

ptx wrote: post #671
apatters wrote: post #584

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It's exactly how South Korea and many other countries developed (and continue to develop) as well. The difference here is that China is positioning itself as a political rival to the United States. America is under no obligation to help its rivals develop. Prior to Xi Jinping's belligerent foreign poljcy America was considerably more welcoming to Chinese companies. You reap what you sow.

> America is under no obligation to help its rivals develop. Right. As long as we acknowledge that this is what's going on, so the rest of the world can feel free to just laugh at the US the next time they claim some grandiose moral high ground in their petty squabble to keep their rival down.

It's not just the US at risk here. I feel like nobody here pays attention to what China does. Look at all the tensions between China and... Literally nearly every country around them. This isn't a US-only problem.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by ptx »

glaive123 wrote: post #678
ptx wrote: post #677

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That the company may eventually be allowed to tell us after they fact that they surrendered out data to the US government is not much of a comfort. In any case, I'm not sure that any of the protections apply to foreigners (the criticism is all about how they might accidentally target Americans) so for those who are neither Chinese nor American citizens, it makes no difference. I would be happy to be completely wrong…

> That the company may eventually be allowed to tell us after they fact that they surrendered out data to the US government is not much of a comfort. Did you read my comment? The request can be fought in court, and the request does not give them access to actual contents. For example, they can NOT get the contents of an email. Are you not aware that Apple has beaten the FBI several times in court and did not have to…

I did read your comment, where you pointed out that companies can challenge the nondisclosure provision. It doesn't say anything about challenging the order itself.

Edit: Also, regarding companies/citizens/foreigners, this is the NSA program under which it collects data from American companies and promises to only use it to spy on foreigners: "PRISM is a code name for a program under which the United States National Security Agency (NSA) collects internet communications from various U.S. internet companies ... U.S. government officials have ... defended the program, asserting that it cannot be used on domestic targets without a warrant"[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by Mekantis »

YarickR2 wrote: post #389
bladegash wrote: post #360

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A straight forward argument that comes to my mind is TikTok being used in the manner Cambridge Analytica used Facebook. Except in this case, it is being done by a State sponsored entity with vast resources (monetarily and people-wise). Further, instead of it being used to help a candidate become elected, it's purpose would be to influence foreign opinions of China/the PRC. That doesn't sound implausible to me.

Other countries shold summarily ban Twitter and Facebook, out of fear of possible local elections influence by US government

They should, actually.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by cm2012 »

pinkfoot wrote: post #658
cm2012 wrote: post #568

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More specifically to TikTok, all American social networks are locked out. (Facebook, twitter, YouTube, etc.)

Nope, LinkedIn is allowed. Please do some homework first

...

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by flywheel »

throwaway69123 wrote: post #634
flywheel wrote: post #571

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What inputs? You mean the fact that she follows cute dog videos? I'm sure China is going to use that against her somehow /s

Yes her data, meta data about your network, devices etc. Just because you arent a target based on that data, doesnt mean someone isnt.

Her "data" is mostly liking cute dog videos. China can have that data for all I care. Meta data about my network, devices? If China really wants to know that I'm on Spectrum internet, and have a few other devices connected, sure, go ahead. I monitor my network and haven't seen any suspicious traffic that would worry me.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by gmantg »

xvector wrote: post #633
gmantg wrote: post #350

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Most smartphones are made in China, so CCP has access to them at the hardware level. My bet is that tiktok has hacked the human psychology: it's an equivalent of addictive sugary drink spiced with coke; it's a problem by itself, but it's a much bigger problem once we realise who manipulates the us citizens. I see tiktok as a backdoor into democracy: it can sway opinions of the masses or it can run social experiments.

And somehow it is okay for Facebook and Twitter to wield this power?

That's why CCP banned them in China.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by NeutronStar »

speleding wrote: post #629
c3534l wrote: post #608

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I'm sorry, but "we're merely acting as bad as the Chinese government here" does not seem like a very convincing argument.

The US left the moral high ground some time ago. (About 4 years ago)

If you think it's only been 4 years...

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by NeutronStar »

speleding wrote: post #665
Alupis wrote: post #656

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This line of thinking is absurd. Where are the US's death and labor camps? Global IP theft apparatus? Religious persecutions? Actual territorial expansion? Oh, but we have a leader that says mean things. Totally on par with China.

The reasoning you display here, "we're not as bad as China", is exactly what I meant with the "USA has left the moral high ground". There was a time when they aimed to lead by example.

You misunderstanding his comment doesn't mean he's agreeing with you.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

Grimm1 wrote: post #646
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #565

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Which means that they emit much less per person. Or should countries be compared with no refrerence to their population, in which case Saudi Arabia is doing great? Additionally, USA has had decades of relative prosperity to clean up its emissions, but did nothing. Meanwhile China has more electric busses than the rest of the world combined, more hifgh-speed raio than the rest of the world combined, lead the world in…

Looking at it per population is kind of ridiculous when it's very obviously corporations and manufacturing responsible for most green house gasses. The average person barely makes a difference both in regards to pollution, resource consumption and plastics.

You have a point, but population is still the key metric. Corporatuons are, after all, made up of people. Whether those people produce emissions in their private life, or in their jobs.

Furthermore this is a production based accounting of CO2, if you instead do consumption-based accounting of CO2 then you will see a dramativally more savage picture.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by tom-_- »

tannedNerd wrote: post #670
tom-_- wrote: post #637

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A flawed assumption: A new account does not mean it's a throwaway. The heretofore anonymous user may simply have found a topic worth commenting on. Secondly, my user is over 6 years old and I've not made any comments in favor or against the CCP in my entire history. I simply commented on what I find to be a logical fallacy. So I'm curious what you base your assumptions on.

Then why has every person questioning this account has been Silenced by flagging?

This is another fallacy as proven by the fact your comment, while downvoted, still exists. But even if it were true, I wouldn't know the reason and neither would you.
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