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TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by eanzenberg »

tehjoker wrote: post #481
eanzenberg wrote: post #356

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Why fund your own demise? You can’t take the moral high ground with an immoral enemy. This isn’t a movie.

I find it difficult to recall the last time America took the moral high ground that wasn't based solely in looking good for anti-communist purposes in the last 75 years. The only exceptions were when domestic unrest forced the ruling class to give protestors civil rights. In particular, US foreign policy has been a long unending horror show of bombing, invasions, and starvation via sanctions. At the UN our record is…

UN, lul

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Post by tguedes »

Thorrez wrote: post #613
albacur wrote: post #388

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> Chinese policy seems to have not significantly changed in the last 5 years towards the US, but on the other hand US seemed ever more keen and eger to pursue a hostile attitude towards China. For decades, China has blocked U.S. companies from fair competition, reneged on trade deals when it suits them, backed out of industrial partnerships after extracting the IP it deems useful, and generally been a bad trade partn…

> but it's absurd to suggest that the U.S. should blindly accept hostile behavior for decades on end without reacting, or else itself be labeled "hostile." That's not absurd at all. Just because your enemy behaves badly doesn't make it acceptable for you to behave badly.

This is geopolitics, not grade school.

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Post by praveenperera »

_6fmb wrote: post #479
georgeburdell wrote: post #468

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> Remember Dragonfly? Google just tried to get back into China THIS YEAR and was blocked by the US government. Could you substantiate this claim? Regarding China and Dragonfly, I only remember there being employee and governmental criticism, but no outright ban from doing business in China: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/11/27/google-...

Oh please like we need a formal ban to shut things down, it's like America not banning tiktok right? There were hearings and calls by US politicians to stop Dragonfly, after which it was stopped.

China bot

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Post by Alupis »

jewelry wrote: post #580
albacur wrote: post #454

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My comment wasn't specific to TikTok, but rather OP's assertion that the U.S. is a hostile actor, whereas China is just being China. Regarding TikTok, foreign-owned companies must follow U.S. laws, which are subject to due process. Additionally, they must not pose an imminent threat to national security. For better or worse, the government tends to be tight-lipped about matters of national security and isn't compelle…

Cannot believe the president has the power without legal battle to ban business activity. If it's national security, let out the cat. Otherwise how could people believe if this won't happen to SAP, Volkswagon, Sony next time.

> Cannot believe the president has the power without legal battle to ban business activity.

I didn't think State Governor's could ban legitimate business activity until very recently either.

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Post by Jweb_Guru »

eanzenberg wrote: post #356
Jweb_Guru wrote: post #348

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America's morality has always come down to "might makes right" and it's quite clear that many people believe that's a perfectly satisfactory state of affairs.

Why fund your own demise? You can’t take the moral high ground with an immoral enemy. This isn’t a movie.

Thank you for illustrating my point.

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Post by Alupis »

speleding wrote: post #629
c3534l wrote: post #608

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I'm sorry, but "we're merely acting as bad as the Chinese government here" does not seem like a very convincing argument.

The US left the moral high ground some time ago. (About 4 years ago)

This line of thinking is absurd.

Where are the US's death and labor camps? Global IP theft apparatus? Religious persecutions? Actual territorial expansion?

Oh, but we have a leader that says mean things. Totally on par with China.

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Post by elisharobinson »

faizanbhat wrote: post #539
hhsuey wrote: post #458

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> You can be tough on China without becoming China. Honest question. Do you know how this could be done? I'm not too familiar with foreign affairs.

The U.S. has many tactics at its disposal: 1. Sanctioning bad actors: Placing wide ranging economic sanctions on bad actors is a potent tool but it can backfire. U.S can penalize any company that does business with sanctioned individuals. In the case of China, applying sanctions on party members would make it virtually impossible for them to transfer their wealth overseas via global banks, property markets, investmen…

these dont have any standard precedent for application in terms of tech and tech related fields , where geographic boundaries do not apply. china has had a free ride now i guess it has to pay , also the same could be said about china banning free speech and tech companies from other countries , i guess you will have no problem with that.

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Post by pinkfoot »

cm2012 wrote: post #568
DarthGhandi wrote: post #560

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Which companies are locked out? Last I looked China is packed full of American companies, far moreso than the other way around. Apple, Walmart, Nike, Coke(61% marketshare), P&G, KFC, McDonald's, GE, GM, Boeing (50% marketshare), MS (99% marketshare) all make billions each year on the mainland, many make more there than in the US. It's frankly quite disturbing how something so completely wrong constantly ends up the t…

More specifically to TikTok, all American social networks are locked out. (Facebook, twitter, YouTube, etc.)

Nope, LinkedIn is allowed. Please do some homework first

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Post by katzgrau »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #569
katzgrau wrote: post #431

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I said if it's a matter of national security. > TikTok is not a national security problem, no more than Whatsapp or Telegram or Skype is a national security problem. Yeah, you don't actually know that. What we don't know is the most consequential for us. China is ambitious and is clearly engaged in a long game against the US. We should watch our backs, no apologies necessary.

So you are giving uo on the whole concept of a justice system, evidence of wrongdoing and public hearing? Might as well start putting random chinese people in jail just to hit back at CCP, "no apollogies neccesary"

My original post referred to national security coming first — and evaluating any actions taken via court, if it's questionable.
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