Very glad I'm not Facebook. No matter what choices you make, millions (or billions) will hate you. Is decentralization the only solution, if it even is one?
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Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of president’s supporters
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Careful, that's how RMS got canceled.
What does this sentence mean?
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I...don't know how to respond to that. Truth is truth. Yes, there is right wing fascist parties that are trying to nullify the meaning of the word, and introduce subjectivity where there should not be any, sowing doubt on the very idea of Reality. But this is not the new normal for society or humanity. I refuse to believe that, or we're truly doomed. This is a temporary hurdle made by desperate people trying to hold…
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Do you recognize the possibility of good-faith disagreements on matters of fact, or do you expect that every reasonable person should agree in all cases about what's true and false? In the latter case I agree I don't see a productive discussion to be had here.
In ALL cases? Certainly not.
But this isn't a mathematical proof. Just because we cannot guarantee something in 100% of the time, doesn't mean it should not be attempted.
Truth is being degraded not about ethically controversial subjects with a clear scientific consensus, and not even controversial subjects with SOME scientific doubt.
We're talking about situations where leaders of hundreds of millions of people will deny statements they made, and everyone falls along, in an Orwellian fashion.
These are not good faith disagreements. There is a massive contingent out there in the world that are not arguing in good faith, they care not about the argument, but about the results.
And if you want to give them all the benefit of the doubt, and say that "there are fine people on both sides", then you are correct, there is no productive discussion to be had here.
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#144I am glad that Brazil's court still remains independent. Looks like Bolsonaro, should borrow couple of tips from his friend Narendra Modi. Modi, dismantled the institutions in India systematically to guarantee his long lasting power. e.g. The only official from the election commission who didn't give a clean-chit to Modi for his election campaign violations during last election was greeted with Income Tax raids on hi…
There is nothing independent with Brazil’s court. They are just dismantling the executive powers so they and their own can be kept on power.
In Brazil, the Supreme Court is filled by presidential choice. Brazil had 25 consecutive years with social democratic and socialists presidents, so that every justice currently have been put there by them. Now that democracy turned to the right-wing, the losers aren’t accepting the results and the reforms being made, that takes out their privileges and positions of power.
I know barely nothing about India, but what you described certainly is not correlated to what is happening in Brazil.
Re: Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of president’s supporters
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I...don't know how to respond to that. Truth is truth. Yes, there is right wing fascist parties that are trying to nullify the meaning of the word, and introduce subjectivity where there should not be any, sowing doubt on the very idea of Reality. But this is not the new normal for society or humanity. I refuse to believe that, or we're truly doomed. This is a temporary hurdle made by desperate people trying to hold…
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Do you recognize the possibility of good-faith disagreements on matters of fact, or do you expect that every reasonable person should agree in all cases about what's true and false? In the latter case I agree I don't see a productive discussion to be had here.
People who deny climate change and other settled science and don't wear masks because they think it's a political statement aren't "reasonable people".
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Brazilian here. Unfortunately I wouldn't call them independent. They simply represent the other side. Brazil is not as united behind Bolsonaro as the media makes out to be.
I'm originally from Turkey, and that's also the case with Erdoğan. I mean, they wouldn't be dictators if everyone agreed with them, no? The big problem arising from the stark polarization is that there's no uncontaminated news sources anymore. Many argue that news should be political anyway but I really miss reading stuff that doesn't fit 100 percent to a single agenda.
Hold on, Bolsonaro is not a dictator. Federalism even recently screwed him over. He didn't act on COVID but individual states imposed their own measures and thankfully countered his opinion.
Re: Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of president’s supporters
#147I am glad that Brazil's court still remains independent. Looks like Bolsonaro, should borrow couple of tips from his friend Narendra Modi. Modi, dismantled the institutions in India systematically to guarantee his long lasting power. e.g. The only official from the election commission who didn't give a clean-chit to Modi for his election campaign violations during last election was greeted with Income Tax raids on hi…
There is nothing independent with Brazil’s court. They are just dismantling the executive powers so they and their own can be kept on power. In Brazil, the Supreme Court is filled by presidential choice. Brazil had 25 consecutive years with social democratic and socialists presidents, so that every justice currently have been put there by them. Now that democracy turned to the right-wing, the losers aren’t accepting…
True. You cannot expect the judicial to be apolitical if it is appointed by the other two highly political branches of government. But we pretend it is apolitical in Brazil and in the US.
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> beyond the obscene I mean, that's pretty arbitrary too, e.g. FB censors female breasts, which is not considered obscene in many places. It's a difficult line to walk.
No obscene, inappropriate. But it can very quickly descend into the obscene, and if they didn't filter you'd get nasty dick picks all over the place. Every social place has rules, not exception. It's just a matter of how they are impressed.
It's more than that though. It's not just the quantity of stuff you wouldn't want to see, but that FB would then be known for that type of content, and they'd lose the other content that brings in the money. Purely from a business model perspective, they want to keep that stuff off.
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#149The technical argument from the court is quite intriguing. The Supreme Court justice only wants to prevent access to the blocked profiles within Brazil. However, he says Facebook should not allow Brazilians themselves to view such profiles by “subterfuge” (by changing their registered country on Facebook settings or using VPNs, according to the Court’s tech advisors). In the end, the most efficient way for Facebook t…
Where did you read the technical arguments? The article doesn't mention them. In fact, the article is very light on information, and only left me confused about the situation, like why are the presidents supporters calling for a coup? And how does blocking a dozen accounts change anything, really? Would the people behind them not simply open more sockpuppet accounts?
Re: Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of president’s supporters
#150I am glad that Brazil's court still remains independent. Looks like Bolsonaro, should borrow couple of tips from his friend Narendra Modi. Modi, dismantled the institutions in India systematically to guarantee his long lasting power. e.g. The only official from the election commission who didn't give a clean-chit to Modi for his election campaign violations during last election was greeted with Income Tax raids on hi…
Brazilian here. Unfortunately I wouldn't call them independent. They simply represent the other side. Brazil is not as united behind Bolsonaro as the media makes out to be.
There are 11 or 12 supreme court judges. While one or two may present some "tastes" here and there, overall, all of them together are doing a good job til now.
Gilmar Mendes sometimes free their rich pals from prison here and there, but in other matters hes not that bad.
Dias Toffoli also do some shady things here and there but some bad things he did got reverted back by the other judges.
I dont think is fair to say they "represent the other side", first because this gives a dichotomistic way to see things that are far too simplistic.
Also because as a Brazilian too, im very thankful for what the two other powers; judiciary and legislative, have being doing to put the executive at least in check.
The president is nuts, and the country is without any sort of leadership, and if it were only incompetence, but the problem is that this guy is trying by any means necessary to do a takeover move over the republic..
And if those other powers weren't in opposition, trying to defend the democratic institutions, we would be heading to some sort of Putin state.
So of course that nothing is perfect, but overall i've been positively surprised about what they have done so far.