Do you guys think there's any realistic hope today (not accounting for what kind of horrible stuff might be possible in the future) of being able to keep your 'genuine' online activities separated from your public facing, sanitized ones? Such that no company's HR department would be able to tie your real life identity to your real online activities? I imagine it could be possible if you're serious and rigorous about…
Yes, it's possible. Keep your normal public activities boring and straight. For everything else use TOR/VPN/Proxies/etc.
Data isn't just being collected from your phone, it's being used to score you
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Re: Data isn't just being collected from your phone, it's being used to score you
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least the Chinese system is out in the open. Many private companies surveilling everyone without anyone's knowledge is terrible. Companies using these scores are really only targeting a group of people that allow the collection to happen. My car insurance company would sure love to put a tracker in my car but there is no way in hell that is going to happen. I'm sure my driving style would qualify me for higher rat…
> My car insurance company would sure love to put a tracker in my car but there is no way in hell that is going to happen. If you take your cell phone in the car with you, they are already tracking you.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
> My car insurance company would sure love to put a tracker in my car but there is no way in hell that is going to happen. If you take your cell phone in the car with you, they are already tracking you.
How so? My insurance company offers programs with apps or use of telematics. I don't use any apps and don't allow access to any telematics. After the location data scandal last year my cell phone company claims to have stopped selling location data. I don't knowing allow any access to my location data.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Shouldn't you be able to demand an explanation of how that score was calculated under GDPR? I'm really curious as to what it means now!
https://gdpr-info.eu/art-14-gdpr/ "2. In addition to the information referred to in paragraph 1, the controller shall provide the data subject with the following information necessary to ensure fair and transparent processing in respect of the data subject: ... (g) the existence of automated decision-making, including profiling, referred to in Article 22(1) and (4) and, at least in those cases, meaningful information…
But that requires that the company even cares about following the GDPR correctly, or perhaps even the Data Protection Authority of a given EU country. I know of one small but popular enough data broker that's been operating for years in the EU and flaunting the GDPR without any punishment so far. Not sure if this is the place to advertise it. But I suppose somebody whose GDPR rights were violated has to lodge a complaint first.
Re: Data isn't just being collected from your phone, it's being used to score you
#85Re: Data isn't just being collected from your phone, it's being used to score you
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least the Chinese system is out in the open. Many private companies surveilling everyone without anyone's knowledge is terrible. Companies using these scores are really only targeting a group of people that allow the collection to happen. My car insurance company would sure love to put a tracker in my car but there is no way in hell that is going to happen. I'm sure my driving style would qualify me for higher rat…
> My car insurance company would sure love to put a tracker in my car but there is no way in hell that is going to happen. If you take your cell phone in the car with you, they are already tracking you.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your insurance company would prefer to cover people who notice the reckless driver then pull over to get out of their path. You did not do that, so they raise your rates. Edit: not that you were at fault or did anything wrong. My point is that the insurance companies strongest incentive is to pay out as little as possible. This includes payments made where their client was not at fault. If it were up to them, everyon…
They recovered their costs. I already pay for the service. Tracking is just another excuse to raise rates, which as you note is the goal (bring money in, don't let it out). When rates have nothing to do with liability is it really insurance? To quote wikipedia: If the likelihood of an insured event is so high, or the cost of the event so large, that the resulting premium is large relative to the amount of protection…
It's not about covering costs to provide a needed service. That would be a public service
This is a private company looking for profit. They want to raise your rates.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes they would, but the flip side of them not being able to price people based on actual driving behavior is by charging all men higher, all single people higher vs married people, and poor people higher based on credit score. Plus why single out insurance companies and ban them from creepily tracking you wherever you go and not all the other companies who do that with your cell phone. Also to be pedantic, the don't…
I was rear-ended in stop-and-go traffic. The same person was behind me for miles. He was looking at his phone and ran into me - totally and completely not my fault. He refused to give me his insurance info. I made a claim against my own insurance. I'm pretty sure the insurance company went after him and recovered costs. How exactly should that influence my rates? This is exactly why I pay for insurance, service I alr…
If statistically other drivers who do that are more likely to, on average, result in a loss for the insurer, they are right to raise your rates. "Past Performance is no guarantee of future results"
With enough data, maybe it would support your assertion that you are, in fact, a very safe driver, by realizing that you only drive fast at certain times, in certain locations that are statistically lower risk.
Re: Data isn't just being collected from your phone, it's being used to score you
#89I feel like the Chinese style social score system won't have enough support in government for most countries, but we'll receive a decentralized version anyway through corporate overreach. Also, it's always amusing to arrive at an article about data collection and be greeted by this: https://i.imgur.com/d4Z4sdd.png
I had thought credit karma and similar services were at least adding transparency to the industry but was recently in for a rude awakening when trying to get preapproval for our first mortgage. It turns out, the whole idea of a credit score is kind of a lie. Your credit report can be pulled by creditors, and creditors can interpret it in different ways as they see fit. Services like credit karma are just making up their own score based on the report which can be drastically different than what the creditor decides it is. And credit pulled for different uses somehow ends up with different scores, e.g. for a credit card approval your score will often show up higher than for a mortgage. You can check your credit report for free, as required by law, but nobody is required to tell you your credit score. You can also basically just pay to remove many things from your credit report.
It’s insane and the fact that this fairly old and low-tech institution has not managed to be regulated successfully or made fair to the average person, bodes very poorly IMO for regulation of privacy and fairness based on future technology.
Re: Data isn't just being collected from your phone, it's being used to score you
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was rear-ended in stop-and-go traffic. The same person was behind me for miles. He was looking at his phone and ran into me - totally and completely not my fault. He refused to give me his insurance info. I made a claim against my own insurance. I'm pretty sure the insurance company went after him and recovered costs. How exactly should that influence my rates? This is exactly why I pay for insurance, service I alr…
> If I put a tracking device in my car today my rates would go up because I accelerate quickly and brake hard when conditions allow. That is not right. If statistically other drivers who do that are more likely to, on average, result in a loss for the insurer, they are right to raise your rates. "Past Performance is no guarantee of future results" With enough data, maybe it would support your assertion that you are,…
This argument could as well be applied regarding certain protected characteristics of the driver (such as race, gender, sexual orientation, etc).