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The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

cyrksoft wrote: post #397
corylulu wrote: post #342

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For the same reason antitrust laws exist. Monopolies need to be prevented to maintain a healthy economy.

How is Apple a monopoly? They own a system and manage the rules around it, that is not a monopoly. Will you force car manufacturers to let you install any system in the car? Why can't I install any app on my car?

The same way Hollywood studios that controlled the movie theaters. Studio monopolies were teared down and Apple's monopoly should be teared down too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Paramount_P....

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Post by d0gbread »

scarface74 wrote: post #551
d0gbread wrote: post #549

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But everyone does NOT know how much data they hand over and how that's used to stifle competition, innovation, and has attributable impact to many of the other items you list - and that's what's being vetted right now. No one has issue with high revenue, that's the reward for winning. We're discussing HOW you win, and if that needs modification. Most people I know are more than capable to read, learn, and form educat…

Well, we have statistics. We all know how most people vote. https://news.gallup.com/poll/244367/top-issues-voters-health... Where do you think the following issues rank in the list? Facebook/Google collecting data. Especially in the case of FB where people willingly give it data. Amazon - effects on small retailers (disclaimer I work at AWS) Apple - A) taking a 30% cut when most of the money comes from play to win ga…

More lowest common denominator talk despite these issues being economic which was ranked as the #2 issue in the source you presented.

The three options you present are a completely different level of granularity, I'm not clear why you're ranking them. No one is a single issue voter down to Apple's 30% cut, that's just a piece being discussed to better understand the larger issue (or lack thereof, if that's your point of view).

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Post by wayneftw »

scarface74 wrote: post #554
wayneftw wrote: post #552

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That proves nothing. Those products would not have failed if they were not in Walmart because there are plenty of other outlets instead of just two.

So where else can toy manufacturers go in 2020 to sell their toys in retail? The music labels and movie studios knew they couldn’t be successful before digital without Walmart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_superstores

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Post by scarface74 »

wayneftw wrote: post #563
scarface74 wrote: post #554

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So where else can toy manufacturers go in 2020 to sell their toys in retail? The music labels and movie studios knew they couldn’t be successful before digital without Walmart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_superstores

None of those other stores sell toys and a few are bankrupt in the US.

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Post by wayneftw »

scarface74 wrote: post #555
wayneftw wrote: post #553

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Yeah, you’re right...Anybody should be allowed to do anything that they want like on the highway where you’re allowed to just ram your car into other drivers without any consequences.

Right because ramming your car into someone else is the equivalent of not being able to side load apps on a phone that you don’t have to buy.

Right, because that's exactly what I said.

The point that you missed, since you're being extremely uncharitable, is that rule by government works more often than it doesn't.

Nobody agrees with you here. That's why all of your comments that got any attention are disappearing.

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Post by wayneftw »

scarface74 wrote: post #564
wayneftw wrote: post #563

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_superstores

None of those other stores sell toys and a few are bankrupt in the US.

You couldn't me more wrong.

Target? Best Buy? Costco? Amazon???

And the list doesn't end there - even Khol's sells toys - https://www.kohls.com/catalog/toys.jsp?CN=Department:Toys&se...

Try harder.

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Post by scarface74 »

d0gbread wrote: post #562
scarface74 wrote: post #551

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Well, we have statistics. We all know how most people vote. https://news.gallup.com/poll/244367/top-issues-voters-health... Where do you think the following issues rank in the list? Facebook/Google collecting data. Especially in the case of FB where people willingly give it data. Amazon - effects on small retailers (disclaimer I work at AWS) Apple - A) taking a 30% cut when most of the money comes from play to win ga…

More lowest common denominator talk despite these issues being economic which was ranked as the #2 issue in the source you presented. The three options you present are a completely different level of granularity, I'm not clear why you're ranking them. No one is a single issue voter down to Apple's 30% cut, that's just a piece being discussed to better understand the larger issue (or lack thereof, if that's your point…

And people concerned about “the economy” care about geeks not being able to sideload or having to go to a website to subscribe to Netflix. Out of the 5 major tech companies, the only one that has a negative image in the mind of most people is Facebook - and they still use it.

The issues that you bring up don’t affect most people. Most people willingly spend their money at Apple and Amazon. People spend more to buy Apple devices despite all of the drawbacks that geeks care about.

Besides that, Apple isn’t raising the ire of conservatives about being “unfair” to them or having a negative effect on the election by liberals.

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Post by scarface74 »

wayneftw wrote: post #566
scarface74 wrote: post #564

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None of those other stores sell toys and a few are bankrupt in the US.

You couldn't me more wrong. Target? Best Buy? Costco? Amazon??? And the list doesn't end there - even Khol's sells toys - https://www.kohls.com/catalog/toys.jsp?CN=Department:Toys&se... Try harder.

You can’t walk into an Amazon store and buy toys. Retail is still a lot larger than e-commerce especially for kids who like to browse. Kohl’s is tiny compared to Walmart and doing distribution only in Kohl’s is a non starter. Not to mention the catalog is online - not physical stores.

Best Buy sells electronic games but there is far more to toys than that.

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Post by dragonwriter »

scarface74 wrote: post #564
wayneftw wrote: post #563

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_superstores

None of those other stores sell toys and a few are bankrupt in the US.

> None of those other stores sell toys

B&N, Target, Costco, IKEA, and a number of others on the list do, in fact, sell toys in their brick and mortar stores.

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Post by avianlyric »

scarface74 wrote: post #550
avianlyric wrote: post #547

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> Spotify isn’t using their market dominance in streaming to give artist a pittance? What evidence do you have back this up? There’s every suggestion that Spotify are struggling to defend themselves against artists who demand bigger payments. Additionally there’s every suggestion that Apple Music now have a larger portion of the market than Spotify, and if it hasn’t happened yet, it will soon. All of that is ignoring…

There’s every suggestion that Spotify are struggling to defend themselves against artists who demand bigger payments. So you’re okay with Spotify “defending themselves” against artist who want more of a cut? It takes 180,000 plays to make minimum wage. https://help.songtrust.com/knowledge/what-is-the-pay-rate-fo... Spotify also takes a 30% cut. Artist are also complaining about Spotify’s payout. https://www.businesso…

> So you’re okay with Spotify “defending themselves” against artist who want more of a cut?

Yes, there’s no god given right to be paid for your art. Just because I put some tones together and throw it on the Internet doesn’t mean I deserve to paid significant amounts of money. Or indeed any money at all.

> Actually Apple Music pays artists more per stream than Spotify.

That only proves my point, competition is driving up payments to artists, the system works. Not only that but Apple Music may soon be the dominant streaming platform, and if they can do that would resorting to anti-competitive behaviour then is show that artists can make a living, and consumers can continue paying ~$7/month for music.

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