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On one side, there is the concern over China’s connection with Tiktok and their foreign influence on the US.
On the other side, shutting off access to Tiktok allows more domestic control over what mass communication options people have to interact with each other.
There’s something to be gained for someone(s) in both cases.
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"An eye for an eye" is not the Golden Rule!
It sort of is, if you think of it as "don't poke out other people's eyes if you don't want them to poke yours out".
Not even getting into the CCP ties, it's always struck me as unfair that Western social media companies are banned in China, while Chinese ones have been able to compete Worldwide. In a way this gives Chinese apps an immediate advantage (as some are indirectly calling out in this comment section). If you want to reach out to someone in China, you have to use a Chinese company's app. Since social media is mostly a win…
After reading many books on China I learned China values social stability over everything. In its 4,000 year history they have seen the dangers of social instability. We are a very young country and haven't seen what real chaos can look like. (These ideas are from Henry Kissinger's on China, Destined for War by Graham T. Allison and The China Dream by Liu Mingfu)
And people have been living in Europe for thousands of years too. The "4000 year history" is a CCP thing they sell to the populace to make their dictatorship seem more legitimate. It's pretty stupid, most cultures have been around for at least 1000 years.
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>unfair that Western social media companies are banned in China They're not. Bing has been in China forever. Western platforms could always compete in China if they assent to domestic censorship laws like every Chinese platform. That's "fair" considering how onerous and costly compliance is. Western platforms simply have not invested in the necessary mass human moderation until the last few years, after confronted wi…
Bing is a social media company?
Shows how far the balance of power has shifted in the last 20 years back when the Chinese government was banning western products to prevent "spiritual pollution" and "western influence". Now we got the reverse and it's also for ideological reasons (at least at face value). Wonder if WeChat is next. That would be fairly effective in prevent overseas Chinese from communicating with the mainland and a lot of mom and po…
It's worth noting the reason axing WeChat would be effective is that every other widely used communication app on this planet is already blocked by China.
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After reading many books on China I learned China values social stability over everything. In its 4,000 year history they have seen the dangers of social instability. We are a very young country and haven't seen what real chaos can look like. (These ideas are from Henry Kissinger's on China, Destined for War by Graham T. Allison and The China Dream by Liu Mingfu)
Dictatorships value stability above anything else. Because once you have absolute control, the only real danger to losing it is civil war. China has had tons of bloody wars just like the West. And people have been living in Europe for thousands of years too. The "4000 year history" is a CCP thing they sell to the populace to make their dictatorship seem more legitimate. It's pretty stupid, most cultures have been aro…
Differences between civilizations can feel offensive.
So how do you ban an app actually? Yes they could remove the app from the app store but what about the APIs etc...? Also the next TikTok clone is going to be a massive succes.
OK is this legitimately happening? Or is it something Trump randomly spouted out to a reporter?
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Bing is a social media company?
It's effectively an information dissemination platform. The point is, any online service must comply to Chinese Central Cyberspace Affairs Commission. Facebook and Twitter were blocked - not banned, the distinction is important - when they failed to filter out requests for retaliatory killings after 2009 minority riots. This isn't controversial, you want to operate in a country, you comply to relevant laws and regula…
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This is a typical orientalist take. Most of the world is well aware of "the dangers of social instability".
> This is a typical orientalist take. Yes. As I mentioned these ideas are not mine but advanced by 3 books which explain the Chinese perspective. These books are bipartisan and multinational and explain this principal. * Henry Kissinger's on China (Republican) * Destined for War by Graham T. Allison (Democrat - Joe Biden recommended book) * The China Dream by Liu Mingfu (Chinese PLA General)