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Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by busymom0 »

rydre wrote: post #53

If there is any rule of law in the country, this should be against the constitution. If the US does this, they'll be losing a lot of goodwill founders from other countries have about the US. The US is uniquely thought of as a part of every country for business. If you're from third world country but you'd like to do a tech business in the US, you're free to do so without much hurdles by the government. Open competiti…

Australia, India have already banned it. UK is probably next too.

How exactly is this against the constitution?

Was banning Huawei unconstitutional too?

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by free_rms »

dimitrios1 wrote: post #76
magicsmoke wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks more like US democracy is collapsing from the inside than due to external factors.

Also, mostly thanks to foreign actors manipulating technology. Hope we are all seeing the pattern here.

Pardon my phrasing, but that's some bullshit buck-passing.

If 100 russians or whomever can subvert our democracy, we never really had it together to begin with, did we?

Maybe, and this sounds crazy, but maybe it's domestic people trying to whip up a fallacious outside threat for insider political reasons. A totally unheard of phenomenon.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by billfruit »

jmcgough wrote: post #11
akersten wrote: post #2

Under what authority? A dozen paragraphs in the article and not one questioning whether he can actually do this. What would such an executive action look like? An EO to Apple and Google to de-list the app from their stores? Why should they comply? What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? Sick of media treating this man like a zoo exhibit instead of the advanced persistent threat to US democrac…

There's a good discussion of his different legal options here: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/24/trump-cant-ban-tiktok-f...

Summary of which seems to be that in general there is not absolute authority available for banning TikTok, but there are some novel/emergency measures possible to put some restrictions on ByteDance, but which are all rather new and untested, some of whose adminstrative rules/regulation are yet only being formulated(they many not be ready for implementation for many months if not weeks), mostly all of which will expose the federal action to be scrutinized by courts if ByteDance decides to goto court.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by busymom0 »

zelly wrote: post #56
akersten wrote: post #2

Under what authority? A dozen paragraphs in the article and not one questioning whether he can actually do this. What would such an executive action look like? An EO to Apple and Google to de-list the app from their stores? Why should they comply? What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? Sick of media treating this man like a zoo exhibit instead of the advanced persistent threat to US democrac…

> What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? This is a social network which gains from network effects / usage. A social network only accessible to Android users is a ghetto. The vast majority of young people in America use iPhones. The last time the majority of internet users managed to disobey the government was the heyday of torrenting and Megaupload. That's not going to happen with today's u…

The ban will most likely be network based, not just App Store. So apk will probably be useless.

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Post by magicsmoke »

nan0 wrote: post #49

Could this be the same as a tit for tat measure like with tariffs? China has banned a lot of US services and forced US corporations to pull content from their stores too [0] [1]. Genuinely asking and want to remain open-minded about this. 0: https://www.gadgetsnow.com/slideshows/10-popular-apps-and-we... 1: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news18.com/amp/news/tech/ch...

It definitely mirrors the kinds of restrictions China puts on US companies with joint ventures, censorship of sensitive topics, and keeping data on Chinese servers.

However, I think why this feels unsettling even if it just mirrors what China's done is because up to now there was a sense that the US has a stronger economy, society, and culture than China, and these restrictions China put on US companies reflected their weakness and insecurity. But now the US is doing what China's done for decades. It shatters that aura of American superiority, implies that China's been right all along on matters of national security, and foreshadows a future where previously sacred assumptions of American democracy become obsoleted by new technology. I'm reminded of hand weavers smashing machine looms during the dawn of the industrial revolution.

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Post by hooande »

Lammy wrote: post #67

I'm curious what they know about TikTok that isn't public. This seems too drastic for just trade posturing.

TikTok is basically a tool of [SOME NATION]'s military intelligence. Not going to say which nation, but this is well known in the security community

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Post by busymom0 »

akersten wrote: post #19
onetimemanytime wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I highly doubt it, and I am waiting to be shown otherwise. I showed it to you, Huawei. USA gives a LOT of power to the President, sanctions, bans etc etc.

Preventing the purchase and import of physical equipment into the US is a lot different than preventing the import of code/speech. I fully understand the former is allowed, but I highly doubt the president possesses the authority to do the latter.

This has been the case since the launch of the App Store. It’s not new. When uploading an app to Apple App Store, you have to do disclosures about cryptography exports.

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Post by dimitrios1 »

free_rms wrote: post #92
dimitrios1 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, mostly thanks to foreign actors manipulating technology. Hope we are all seeing the pattern here.

Pardon my phrasing, but that's some bullshit buck-passing. If 100 russians or whomever can subvert our democracy, we never really had it together to begin with, did we? Maybe, and this sounds crazy, but maybe it's domestic people trying to whip up a fallacious outside threat for insider political reasons. A totally unheard of phenomenon.

Considering spies and espionage literally turned the tide of two world wars, you might be selling the effectiveness of it short when conducted at a nation-state level.

Again to your reply, I don't think you understand how pervasive and wide reaching it has become. We are talking about entire groups of protesters and counter-protesters being organized and subsequently funded through donation platforms solely by foreign social accounts.

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