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Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Under what authority? A dozen paragraphs in the article and not one questioning whether he can actually do this. What would such an executive action look like? An EO to Apple and Google to de-list the app from their stores? Why should they comply? What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? Sick of media treating this man like a zoo exhibit instead of the advanced persistent threat to US democrac…

> advanced persistent threat to US democracy We are a Republic.

If we are being needlessly pedantic, the traditional US definition of a "republic" is a democracy, but just not a direct democracy (I'm not aware of any modern countries that are), which I suspect is what you were trying to point out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic#United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Under what authority? A dozen paragraphs in the article and not one questioning whether he can actually do this. What would such an executive action look like? An EO to Apple and Google to de-list the app from their stores? Why should they comply? What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? Sick of media treating this man like a zoo exhibit instead of the advanced persistent threat to US democrac…

China is likely considered by many to be a threat to democracy, which is part of the reasoning behind this

Looks more like US democracy is collapsing from the inside than due to external factors.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great, but that doesn't answer my question: What authority does a US president have to tell a US-based software company to not distribute code from its US servers?

Tiktok is not a US-based software company, they're a private company from China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bytedance There's been precedent set recently with e.g. Huawei: https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/15/18216988/white-house-huaw... , but also keep in mind we have dealt with much stronger things in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...

> but also keep in mind we have dealt with much stronger things in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th....

Which was ruled unconstitutional.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Under what authority? A dozen paragraphs in the article and not one questioning whether he can actually do this. What would such an executive action look like? An EO to Apple and Google to de-list the app from their stores? Why should they comply? What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? Sick of media treating this man like a zoo exhibit instead of the advanced persistent threat to US democrac…

> advanced persistent threat to US democracy We are a Republic.

In this context, "democracy" is used in the broad sense, meaning the codified national value of self-government by the population. The distinction that there are elected representatives rather than direct votes isn't relevant.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Under what authority? A dozen paragraphs in the article and not one questioning whether he can actually do this. What would such an executive action look like? An EO to Apple and Google to de-list the app from their stores? Why should they comply? What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? Sick of media treating this man like a zoo exhibit instead of the advanced persistent threat to US democrac…

> advanced persistent threat to US democracy We are a Republic.

Republics are democracies. They're just not direct democracies.

This might also help: https://mises.org/wire/stop-saying-were-republic-not-democra...

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Under what authority? A dozen paragraphs in the article and not one questioning whether he can actually do this. What would such an executive action look like? An EO to Apple and Google to de-list the app from their stores? Why should they comply? What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? Sick of media treating this man like a zoo exhibit instead of the advanced persistent threat to US democrac…

China is likely considered by many to be a threat to democracy, which is part of the reasoning behind this

I don’t think this is a particularly helpful path to take the conversation down. Both Trump and China can be threats to democracy, we don’t need to play one off the other to make one look better by comparison.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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I think the biggest thing that bugs me is that the American public didn't let Vine grow and make money. Instead we're either banning and blocking TTok or giving China a huge amount of money. I don't like giving China money. Ban them

America is dead and we have killed it. Long live China. Long live Russia. Long live Canada. Make way for the 21st century, Americans!

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Under what authority? A dozen paragraphs in the article and not one questioning whether he can actually do this. What would such an executive action look like? An EO to Apple and Google to de-list the app from their stores? Why should they comply? What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? Sick of media treating this man like a zoo exhibit instead of the advanced persistent threat to US democrac…

> What's he going to do when ByteDance uploads the .apk somewhere? I don't think most Android users know how to install an apk, and as far as I know a similar distribution model is not possible on iOS.

Teens would be able to figure it out within minutes. It’s not difficult, it just isn’t required knowledge for most users (yet?)
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