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Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A sane commander that starts useless wars in the Middle East to transfer billions of tax payer money to his donators?

No, we don't think those were sane either.

How far back do you have to go to find a "sane" one? Bush Sr? Eisenhower?

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#112

Once the USA has a sane commander-in-chief again, it's going to need to completely overhaul its approach to the Eastern European region, among other things.

Eastern Europe (outside of Russia) has been quite happy with NATO’s increased involvement on their borders. I hope this does not change, and don’t anticipate it will under Biden.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#113
post #67

USA itself is already souring on NATO, no hackers needed. Many in the USA are tired of being criticized for being the "world police" yet the same critics also scream when the USA starts pulling its military personnel out of their country (like Germany, most recently). I say Europe should use their own money to build their own Navy and Air Forces to protect their own interests and make their own trade and travel route…

Most Germans would actually be happy if the US closed Ramstein. There was a large uproar in Germany when it came to light that the US is controlling their drones in the Middle East from there.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#114
post #67

USA itself is already souring on NATO, no hackers needed. Many in the USA are tired of being criticized for being the "world police" yet the same critics also scream when the USA starts pulling its military personnel out of their country (like Germany, most recently). I say Europe should use their own money to build their own Navy and Air Forces to protect their own interests and make their own trade and travel route…

Unfortunately for you and the rest of Americans that feel this isolationist tendency, your country will be a part of the world whether you like it or not. A modern conflict that does not involve the US is not the same thing as a modern conflict that does not affect the US.

Also, your opinion of Europe doesn’t seem founded in reality. Since when does European nations not have their own standing armies, and since when are American army resources used to protect European borders and shipping routes? And from who?

The US needs the rest of the world as much as the rest of the world needs the US. You seem to be under the influence that the US is somehow being fleeced by the rest of the world while nobody but you (conveniently enough) contributes anything.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#115

If the recent HN story of Apple taking 30% of refunded purchases is any indication, fabricated stories have a frighteningly strong staying power. What was especially sad was that a highly knowledgeable group of people (HN) were misled and deceived by the Apple story (which could have been easy verified). If HN is so easily misled, how much more likely is the general population vulnerable to these foreign-government-o…

> highly knowledgeable group of people (HN) were misled and deceived

Just because you work a high paying job and you're very good at it, that doesn't mean you are impervious to deceit.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#116
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been like 17 years since the US started a war in the Middle East. Your talking points are a little dusty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2019_United_States_ai... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Civil_War_(2011) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war

While I'm an advocate of the US entirely removing itself militarily from the Middle East, none of those properly qualify against the parent's point.

The parent referred to starting wars. The first one doesn't qualify at all.

The US and NATO have intervened in the two civil wars (along with numerous other countries; with France recently pleading with the US to remain in Syria). It's an overreach to claim the US started the Libyan Civil War or the Syrian Civil War, neither is true. The US was opportunistic in trying to squeeze Syria's dictator Bashar al-Assad out (with Russia on the other side, trying to prop up the dictatorship). Those civil wars are the inevitable result of decades of extreme oppression by dictatorship, which will always end in armed revolution.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#118
Always irks me how the media use the term "hackers" as some usurped terminology to describe criminal acts using technology. For me, it is like calling burglars a locksmith - that don't happen and yet we see the word "hacker" used by the media to describe criminal acts so far removed from the words original meaning that it just pains me and i'm sure many others. More so when the populus definition of that word now parallels what the media have been putting out for years, it just creates whole generations that will never know what a true hacker is.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#119
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been like 17 years since the US started a war in the Middle East. Your talking points are a little dusty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2019_United_States_ai... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Civil_War_(2011) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war

- Airstrikes are not a war and the US is not at war with Iran (believe me, you'd know if they were)

- Libya was started by France who begged the US to join them on their little sorties, Italy ran air command too, the US was just along for the ride)

- The Syrian Civil War has basically nothing to do with America, blame Russia as the leadership there gassing civilians and genociding undesirables is a Putin stooge.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#120
post #108

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> Polish defence minister says the US will deploy 1,000 soldiers in Poland to oversee forces on NATO's eastern flank. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/poland-deploy-1000-tr... The article even uses the term "NATO's eastern flank."

Get 12,000 soldiers home from Germany, deploy 1,000 in Poland and call it strengthening the eastern front. That math doesn't check out at all.

1. Germany isn't on the Eastern Front. Poland actually borders Russia (the exclave on the Baltic.)

2. The US is in the process of building a military base in Poland.

> In 2018, Poland proposed that the United States open a permanent military base within its country. The Polish government would finance around $2 Billion of the cost of hosting American forces, if the proposal was accepted by the United States. Poland has proposed either Bydgoszcz, or Toruń, as potential base locations.[18] Since 1999, Poland has sought closer military ties with the United States.[19] In June 2019, both sides agreed to send 1,000 U.S. troops to Poland.[20] In September 2019, six locations were determined to host approximately 4,500 of the U.S. military in Poland, including: Poznań, Drawsko Pomorskie, Strachowice, Łask, Powidz and Lubliniec.

3. Some of those troops will be moved from Germany to Poland.

> On 24 June 2020, Trump said at a press conference with Duda that the United States plans to move some U.S. troops from Germany to Poland.[22][23] Trump said that "Poland is one of the few countries that are fulfilling their obligations under NATO — in particular, their monetary obligations — and they asked us if we would send some additional troops. ... I think [putting more US troops in Poland] sends a very strong signal to Russia."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland–United_States_relations

Honestly, if you can't bother to do basic research about the situation, it's better to not comment on it.

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