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Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

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Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

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A sane commander that starts useless wars in the Middle East to transfer billions of tax payer money to his donators?

It's been like 17 years since the US started a war in the Middle East. Your talking points are a little dusty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2019_United_States_ai...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Civil_War_(2011)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#93
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The incentives and risks look very different in a local free trade agreement than, say, multilateral talks about What To Do About Syria. Please name some relevant countries who might be willing to bet their internal security that a hypothetical 5 year security promise from the US would definitely be operative after year 4. But I do hope I'm wrong. I guess we'll see.

>Please name some relevant countries who might be willing to bet their internal security that a hypothetical 5 year security promise from the US would definitely be operative after year 4. Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Israel and everyone in NATO from Poland on west. Yes, we're going through a rough patch because the US is (rightfully) sick of playing world police at the same time as China/Russia are on the up but to t…

> the US is (rightfully) sick of playing world police

That is not a reasonable description of the current situation unless you think that the guy whose party commands a thunderous minority but wins (both the Presidency and the Senate) due to electoral bugs gets to say what we, as Americans, are and are not "sick of".

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

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Do you have any evidence that FireEye’s report is inaccurate or misleading? You are making an outlandish claim, that the BBC is lying in conjunction with FireEye. Back it up with evidence, or abstain from gaslighting please.

Do you have any evidence that FireEye’s report is accurate and not misleading? they are the ones that claimed it in the first place. Also what do you think is more plausible for a western cybersecurity company's bottomline? make Russia innocent or make it guilty? especially when you got the backing of all western governments and media.

They need to update their response book, at this point it becomes too predictable

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

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So Germany is not deliquent on NATO payments? Or that doesn't qualify?

AFAIK there are no "NATO payments". There's just an expectation that NATO countries will spend 2% of GDP on defense, and most European countries are far behind that. Germany however has increased its spending in recent years and is getting closer to the mark. Trump just doesn't understand the geostrategic position of the U.S., where troops stationed in critical countries prevent invasions which would upturn its imper…

Or he has decided US interests have changed.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#96

Once the USA has a sane commander-in-chief again, it's going to need to completely overhaul its approach to the Eastern European region, among other things.

Kicking off random wars is obviously not a good idea, but complete neglect and acquiescence to a belligerent power also isn’t working either.

Maybe we should try other things?

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#97
Disinformatziya.

No document I have ever read covers this topic in more detail than this briefing by Peter Pomerantsev, author of “Nothing is real and everything is possible.”

https://imrussia.org/media/pdf/Research/Michael_Weiss_and_Pe...

This briefing, which is held in the library of Congress, is where I first heard the term “fake news” in 2014. It’s a stunning contextualization of what has been happening in the last decade.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

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So Germany is not deliquent on NATO payments? Or that doesn't qualify?

AFAIK there are no "NATO payments". There's just an expectation that NATO countries will spend 2% of GDP on defense, and most European countries are far behind that. Germany however has increased its spending in recent years and is getting closer to the mark. Trump just doesn't understand the geostrategic position of the U.S., where troops stationed in critical countries prevent invasions which would upturn its imper…

International security arguments are bullshit. We spend money on weapons in order to spend money on weapons. That tiny interest is the tail that wags the entire dog of security theater throughout politics, media, and academia.

If we had a democratic system we wouldn't waste so many resources on armaments. That's why the military-industrial complex destroyed our previously somewhat-democratic system.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

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post #69

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Do you have any evidence that FireEye’s report is accurate and not misleading? they are the ones that claimed it in the first place. Also what do you think is more plausible for a western cybersecurity company's bottomline? make Russia innocent or make it guilty? especially when you got the backing of all western governments and media.

FireEye has provided their own evidence[1]. BBC has strong editorial guidelines for dealing with evidence from third-parties[2]. You, however, have provided nothing but conjecture and redirection. Can you substantiate your claim? If not, it’s fair to classify your comments as obvious attempts to gaslight HN’s readers. 1: https://www.fireeye.com/content/dam/fireeye-www/blog/pdfs/Gh... 2: https://www.bbc.co.uk/editoria…

Literally there is ZERO evidence in the report. It's all pathetic nonsense "ghostwriting" about a few accounts upvoting each other on some blogs. The company and others have every incentive to blame these pathetic "ghostwriting" nonsense on Russia to make profit and be relevant. They have no reason whatsover to not do that. Even mentioning that they have no clear evidence against Russia means bad for their business.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

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Once the USA has a sane commander-in-chief again, it's going to need to completely overhaul its approach to the Eastern European region, among other things.

A sane commander that starts useless wars in the Middle East to transfer billions of tax payer money to his donators?

No, we don't think those were sane either.
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