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Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

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Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

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Once the USA has a sane commander-in-chief again, it's going to need to completely overhaul its approach to the Eastern European region, among other things.

There are serious constraints on what can be done. Among others, why would any other country make an agreement with the US where the payoff is more than 4 years out? It has repeatedly demonstrated an inability to keep promises.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/collegeofjournalism/entries/8f7c... It’s the house style to avoid too many capitals in prose. Remember how people used to write N.A.T.O. decades ago but then simplified to NATO? Now they’re simplifying to Nato.

> Remember how people used to write N.A.T.O. decades ago but then simplified to NATO? Now they’re simplifying to Nato. I wouldn't call it "simplifying": capitalizing it has the same number of characters and is less ambiguous. I was already somewhat aware of BBC's style, but I still mis-parsed the headline and and thought "Nato" was the name or nickname of a natural person.

I don't understand - do you expect everything that isn't the name of a natural person to be written in all caps?

If I write an article about how 'France is having a heatwave' do you get confused and think 'France' must be referring to a natural person?

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

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> US policy toward NATO has been remarkably consistent. Yeah, with Trump moving troops out of Germany because he believes, contrary to all facts, we'd be trying to rip them off. Not to mention the whole Iraq fiasco with Bush trying to rope NATO allies in a war based on lies.

So Germany is not deliquent on NATO payments? Or that doesn't qualify?

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I'll leave that to people who are trained for such things. I'm just a software guy.

How will you react if the trained people don’t think an overhaul is needed?

I'll trust their judgment. I don't trust the judgment of the current administration.

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> US policy toward NATO has been remarkably consistent. Yeah, with Trump moving troops out of Germany because he believes, contrary to all facts, we'd be trying to rip them off. Not to mention the whole Iraq fiasco with Bush trying to rope NATO allies in a war based on lies.

Yes, there is a level of pettiness at work in this recent decision. What they want to do is shift to a rotational force model and deploy another Armored Brigade Combat Team to Poland every 9 months instead of having an SBCT in Germany. Meaning you have to move 2 ABCTs(~4500 Soldiers and all their equipment) in/out of the theater. The main tactical problem with that is that those forces don't have standoff distance fr…

> which will likely disincentivize similar actions by nations receiving US troops

The only thing this will lead to is a breakup or a massive relevancy drop of NATO. Europe is already emancipating themselves, the US will continue to lose influence - to the benefit of China and Russia, of course.

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> US policy toward NATO has been remarkably consistent. Yeah, with Trump moving troops out of Germany because he believes, contrary to all facts, we'd be trying to rip them off. Not to mention the whole Iraq fiasco with Bush trying to rope NATO allies in a war based on lies.

So Germany is not deliquent on NATO payments? Or that doesn't qualify?

AFAIK there are no "NATO payments". There's just an expectation that NATO countries will spend 2% of GDP on defense, and most European countries are far behind that. Germany however has increased its spending in recent years and is getting closer to the mark.

Trump just doesn't understand the geostrategic position of the U.S., where troops stationed in critical countries prevent invasions which would upturn its imperial economic order. Trump thinks the U.S. has stationed troops in SK, Germany, Taiwan for the countries' interests, where they were clearly deployed there to defend its own.

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> US policy toward NATO has been remarkably consistent. Yeah, with Trump moving troops out of Germany because he believes, contrary to all facts, we'd be trying to rip them off. Not to mention the whole Iraq fiasco with Bush trying to rope NATO allies in a war based on lies.

Yes, there is a level of pettiness at work in this recent decision. What they want to do is shift to a rotational force model and deploy another Armored Brigade Combat Team to Poland every 9 months instead of having an SBCT in Germany. Meaning you have to move 2 ABCTs(~4500 Soldiers and all their equipment) in/out of the theater. The main tactical problem with that is that those forces don't have standoff distance fr…

What about the US blowing up the Middle East, where Germany and much of European countries having to deal with the refugees as a consequence of those wars? I think countries like Germany have been penalised enough by the US for not picking up the slack for the refugee situation.
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