I'd imagine the tuition should drop by about 30-50%, seeing as college costs are going to be dropping. I'm pretty sure in a skeptical sense they'll be trying to pay associate professors less for the same reason. and charging students more.
Did you mean to say adjunct professors?
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You can buy a lot of those chemicals in Walmart and Lows in the US (ex: Walmart usually has fairly pure concentrated sulfuric acid. Lows has most common organic solvents.) The lab equipment is also pretty easy to buy on amazon (I’ve bought some trying to teach myself, although I’d recommend against buying anything from China, It always seems to disappear somewhere around LA.) There’s an entire community of autodidact…
This is a lawsuit waiting to happen and not everyone has the space or want to do this. Completely and utterly unrealistic.
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Adapt maybe?
So I take it that you're volunteering to come run all my Audio/Visual stuff for free? I spent 120+ hours dealing with all the Audio-Visual idiocy to deliver a 20 minute talk that took me probably 20 hours to prepare. Yeah, adapt. I have some four letter words for you.
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A reasonable approach would be division of work. Hire a guy who can handle the camera and edit the videos. Have professors plan the lecture, do the talking, and verify that the end product is okay. The guy with the camera can edit videos on multiple subjects, because he doesn't really have to understand the topics. Of course, if the professors have to learn (each of them separately) how to handle the camera and edit…
The skillset of a proffesor is not video editing and university is not a video studio. It is idiotic for a thousand universities around the world to make a thousand videos that explain how compilers works (or whatever). Furthermore, 21st century learning should be interactive, so actually all those lecturers should become videogame developers
yes but then again, plain refusing to learn even the basic is ridiculous. you don't have to start a youtube channel and do all the editing yourself, you just have to learn to drive a webcam and a microphone in a decent manner. it's not rocket science.
It's not fun when they're on the learning side, isn't it?
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I thought you had TA's for that sort of stuff. People are addressing millions of subscribers on social media sites and you can't figure out how to stream your class? Join the real world, where the rest of us ARE FORCED to adapt or lose relevancy or worse, our jobs. The A/V stuff should be figured out by your University IT/Telecom staff.
> People are addressing millions of subscribers on social media sites and you can't figure out how to stream your class? Joe Rogan, for example, has multiple full time staff. So, apparently this streaming thing isn't quite as easy as you seem to think. However, I've got several professors who apparently need your vast, sophisticated audio-visual expertise. Anytime you wish to show up to demonstrate to them how easy t…
Again, you just need a laptop or desktop with a video camera to record your sessions. You can buy a USB microphone for higher quality audio. That is it.
Your apparently fully autonomous cloud is where you put your videos. Perhaps ask other professors who have done this for decades about this.
Let me choose one at random for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5v_uSQ-JXg
Another from Thailand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MTfKJ_NiEM
How to pre-record a Lecture on Zoom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjhHsTmXCKg
Glad I could help you out.
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What? While in college, I learned way more of the required content over Youtube videos then I ever did in a lecture.
For me it's less about content than missing out on real conversation about difficult topics. I know this isn't everyone's experience but I started undergrad at a small state school in Denver, and had great diverse interactions in philosophy and literature courses because of how many different walks of life people came from. It's hard to have honest and deep conversations on video. I don't think many would contest tha…
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The skillset of a proffesor is not video editing and university is not a video studio. It is idiotic for a thousand universities around the world to make a thousand videos that explain how compilers works (or whatever). Furthermore, 21st century learning should be interactive, so actually all those lecturers should become videogame developers
> The skillset of a proffesor is not video editing and university is not a video studio. yes but then again, plain refusing to learn even the basic is ridiculous. you don't have to start a youtube channel and do all the editing yourself, you just have to learn to drive a webcam and a microphone in a decent manner. it's not rocket science. It's not fun when they're on the learning side, isn't it?
The professor would just have to prepare the lesson, and to talk to the empty room. Actually, you could even arrange a few people for the audience; in the back side of the room, with masks. There would be almost no difference compared to the usual lesson.
And then -- optionally -- the professor could also give some pictures to the camera guy (the pictures could be made on paper, let the camera guy scan them), and say "when I say this and this at 0:25:00, please show this picture instead of my face". And let the guy do this, too. And then let him upload it to YouTube or Vimeo or wherever.
This is really not about having the professors learn something new. It's just about the professors, or administration, or whoever can make the decision, willing to try something new. And find a budget to hire one guy outside of academia. (If you are lucky, you could find one among your students, but it would be easier to not rely on that.) Heck, I would even volunteer to do that, but I don't have solid camera skills.
I don't really see any plausible excuse here. This could be accomplished even with professors who have literally zero computer skills and are unable to learn any. (Frankly, I wouldn't even want to waste their time learning how to use a camera. I'd prefer them to focus on providing a great lecture, rather than mediocre video editing.) There are even universities that did this long before Covid, and often the professor wasn't the one who handled the camera.
I suppose this is just a perspective of someone who does not work in academia. I work for a private company that has branches in multiple cities. We regularly had video meetings even before Covid. I didn't have to learn any camera skills; I just entered the e-meeting room, clicked a button, the camera and the projector turned on, the people in the other city did the same thing, and then we started talking. Everything else happened automatically. Is there a good reason why the same thing couldn't happen in education?
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Of course the inherent meaning in the statement is that a large portion of these things do suck, for most people. I find it telling that most people who start an online course never finish them - why? The experience isn't worth it. Just like a video call hasn't replaced person-person interaction, nor can an online course truly replace an in-person class - so many more things happen in the classroom or at a university…
> I find it telling that most people who start an online course never finish them I wouldn't go this far. Enrolling to an online course is essentially an effortless endeavour, unlike on-campus studying. You don't pay anything (or pay less), you don't have to move physically, you (sometimes) can go at your own pace, you can take just this one course instead of the whole curriculum, etc.