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Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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To be clear, they are rather riot leaders who funded by US than "student group leaders".

The "these people are funded from abroad" rhetoric is employed too often by countries trying to control their population. Without hard evidence I wouldn't trust such things. I Russia, for example it's the number one way to try to discredit anybody who disagrees with the government. Yet the government, which has essentially total control over all spheres of life, has not been able to procure any evidence.

And occasionally you get the amusing conflicting scenario of the local government using the foreign interference rhetoric, while the national government rejects that for its own purposes (not wanting to look weak), as in Russia in Khabarovsk at the moment.

Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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Thanks, but I don't think that applies here. I'm not accusing that poster of "astroturfing, shilling, brigading, [or being a] foreign agent". I'm saying that they're parroting CCP propaganda in the form of an extremely questionable survey and that generally attracts downvotes here (including mine).

Ok sorry, I read into that incorrectly then. I've read too many threads accusing people of being state actors in similar fashions recently

Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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It is interesting that there was recently a petition asking for people to support the national security law, and that it managed to gather 3 million signatures. For comparison, high estimations on the number of people who went on the streets to protest, was about 2 million. Both numbers are likely to be overestimations, but it seems to show that the Hong Kong people are divided about whether China is good for them, a…

If you go on journalist twitter, the “mainstream media” is full of very enterprising journalists who have done deep dives into the security law (as much as released by the CCP...) and is uniformly critical.

Also rather than “online polls”, the more damning feature are the local elections, or remnants thereof, where the Beijing faction is routinely getting crushed with pro-democracy candidates getting 70-80% Of the vote

Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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It is interesting that there was recently a petition asking for people to support the national security law, and that it managed to gather 3 million signatures. For comparison, high estimations on the number of people who went on the streets to protest, was about 2 million. Both numbers are likely to be overestimations, but it seems to show that the Hong Kong people are divided about whether China is good for them, a…

You believe that 3 million 'petition signatures' is even remotely equivalent to 2 million actual protesters marching the street?

Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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One China Policy is about to fail in the West, the line was drawn. HK's special economic status has now been revoked, which was a wise move, but it's left China with no reason NOT to storm in.

Brace yourselves, Trump is likely to re-recognize Taiwan soon, reversing a terrible decision which was made as a concession.

Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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...or the signatures are fake? Petition fraud. Happens in US too, see net neutrality.

Well I did say that 3M is likely to be an overestimation. How many do you believe are fake? Let's say 40% are fake. That puts the number of legit signatures at 1.6M: still in the same ballpark as the number of protesters, which shows that society is divided. If you disagree with this analysis, I would love to hear why.

A petition is a much lower effort action than a protest. People motivated enough to protest in person probably represent a stronger opinion base than people merely motivated enough to sign a petition.

Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

3million signatures.. they would never fake that now would they? https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/420764-chicago-alderman-ca...

How many do you believe are fake?

approximately three million?

Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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It is interesting that there was recently a petition asking for people to support the national security law, and that it managed to gather 3 million signatures. For comparison, high estimations on the number of people who went on the streets to protest, was about 2 million. Both numbers are likely to be overestimations, but it seems to show that the Hong Kong people are divided about whether China is good for them, a…

Reuters conducted an opinion poll on the law in June.

49% strongly opposed it.

7% somewhat opposed it.

27% strongly supported it.

7% somewhat supported it. [1]

[1]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-protests-poll-ex...

Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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When the Hong Kong stock exchange listed a Chinese tech index the other day I realised Hong Kong had completely fallen. The CCP rules Hong Kong in totality now as far as I'm concerned.

Great observation, I didn't even notice.

Hang Seng Index,

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/asia-markets-hong-kongs-new-...

Wow.

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