To be clear, they are rather riot leaders who funded by US than "student group leaders".
The "these people are funded from abroad" rhetoric is employed too often by countries trying to control their population. Without hard evidence I wouldn't trust such things. I Russia, for example it's the number one way to try to discredit anybody who disagrees with the government. Yet the government, which has essentially total control over all spheres of life, has not been able to procure any evidence.
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Thanks, but I don't think that applies here. I'm not accusing that poster of "astroturfing, shilling, brigading, [or being a] foreign agent". I'm saying that they're parroting CCP propaganda in the form of an extremely questionable survey and that generally attracts downvotes here (including mine).
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#23It is interesting that there was recently a petition asking for people to support the national security law, and that it managed to gather 3 million signatures. For comparison, high estimations on the number of people who went on the streets to protest, was about 2 million. Both numbers are likely to be overestimations, but it seems to show that the Hong Kong people are divided about whether China is good for them, a…
Also rather than “online polls”, the more damning feature are the local elections, or remnants thereof, where the Beijing faction is routinely getting crushed with pro-democracy candidates getting 70-80% Of the vote
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#24It is interesting that there was recently a petition asking for people to support the national security law, and that it managed to gather 3 million signatures. For comparison, high estimations on the number of people who went on the streets to protest, was about 2 million. Both numbers are likely to be overestimations, but it seems to show that the Hong Kong people are divided about whether China is good for them, a…
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#25Brace yourselves, Trump is likely to re-recognize Taiwan soon, reversing a terrible decision which was made as a concession.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
...or the signatures are fake? Petition fraud. Happens in US too, see net neutrality.
Well I did say that 3M is likely to be an overestimation. How many do you believe are fake? Let's say 40% are fake. That puts the number of legit signatures at 1.6M: still in the same ballpark as the number of protesters, which shows that society is divided. If you disagree with this analysis, I would love to hear why.
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#27To be clear, they are rather riot leaders who funded by US than "student group leaders".
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#29It is interesting that there was recently a petition asking for people to support the national security law, and that it managed to gather 3 million signatures. For comparison, high estimations on the number of people who went on the streets to protest, was about 2 million. Both numbers are likely to be overestimations, but it seems to show that the Hong Kong people are divided about whether China is good for them, a…
49% strongly opposed it.
7% somewhat opposed it.
27% strongly supported it.
7% somewhat supported it. [1]
[1]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-protests-poll-ex...
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#30When the Hong Kong stock exchange listed a Chinese tech index the other day I realised Hong Kong had completely fallen. The CCP rules Hong Kong in totality now as far as I'm concerned.
Hang Seng Index,
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/asia-markets-hong-kongs-new-...
Wow.