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Post by nikhizzle »

glenstein wrote: post #54

Delicious was for a time at the cultural nerve center of the web, and I think had the potential to be something like a twitter or a reddit if stewarded correctly. I like to think there was an alternate reality where Yahoo didn't run itself into the ground, and took its properties: delicious, flickr, tumblr, its massive userbase across fantasy sports, groups, news, messenger, geocities and answers, its email service,…

Ex-yahoo here, thought I would add my 2 cents. Yahoo under Jerry and Filo (love them both, this is not personal) had a twin culture of niceness and bureaucracy which killed us. Here are an example of each:

1. Niceness - a coworker decided to just randomly not show up for work (not WFH, just disappear occasionally). I took it to management, and was told we don’t want to hurt his feelings.

2. Bureaucracy - I left yahoo to go to Facebook. At Facebook, if you needed a server, you would go to an internal tool, slide a slider and click a button. At Yahoo, you had to take a proposal to a committee led by a cofounder, and then be repeatedly shot down until you finally persevered.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by dexterdog »

mav3rick wrote: post #87
wombatmobile wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One difference in the fate of Yahoo vis a vis Google, is that Yahoo didn't spy on its users and exploit the knowledge gained from spying to make gazillions from advertising. Take from that what you will. Google made money, and then Facebook learned how to make money by trumping Google - by harvesting the "digital surplus" of its users to power an advertising juggernaut. The rise of advertising everywhere, and the los…

All that talk but forgot to say what Yahoo didn't do - show you what you wanted on the first page. You can run circles around it they just weren't good enough. But sure nostalgia is great and bringing delicious back will be amazinggggg

Who shows you what you want on the first page? Facebook shows you what they want. If you don't have an ad blocker Google shows you what they are paid most to show. Amazon the same.

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Post by mercer »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #88
Scarblac wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was there a way to find people with the same link(s)? I don't think I'm going to get anybody I know starting to use this again, but I'm going to try it out. No algorithms. What a refreshing idea!

Yes you could see who had bookmarked what you had and how many people had bookmarked it. Every now and then I would take something I had bookmarked that was not widely bookmarked and go through the people who had bookmarked it like me to find relevant stuff under the tag they had bookmarked it. Was a great way to find new content.

I still haven't found something that is quite as good as delicious was for finding other 'curators' with similar tastes (and then being able to filter what they curated by tag, iirc).

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Post by mcny »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #91
wombatmobile wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One difference in the fate of Yahoo vis a vis Google, is that Yahoo didn't spy on its users and exploit the knowledge gained from spying to make gazillions from advertising. Take from that what you will. Google made money, and then Facebook learned how to make money by trumping Google - by harvesting the "digital surplus" of its users to power an advertising juggernaut. The rise of advertising everywhere, and the los…

Yahoo spied on users the same as the rest of them, they were just incompetent and bled users for years. They were never especially well managed, but Verizon was the worst and basically took a company on the road to destruction and stomped on the accelerator. > resulted in a world that employs less than half the number of journalists than 20 years ago This is a direct result of the internet in general. With lower publ…

> but Verizon was the worst and basically took a company on the road to destruction and stomped on the accelerator.

Verizon was and still is very scary. Whether or not they are incompetent, companies that came from the mother bell, att, Verizon, CenturyLink, ... And all major ISPs are scary.

Verizon's supercookie thing was revealed shortly before it's acquisition of Yahoo! And Aol. If Oath/Verizon Media succeeds as a major online destination, they could have more data than Google, no? I mean it is a data hoarders dream. Own the pipe end to end?

» This is a direct result of the internet in general. With lower publication costs you get more publishers which means more supply of ad space which means ad spend that used to go to journalism now goes to Instagram "influencers" and lolcats. Which would be just as true without any of the tracking.

I read something either published by Google or about Google that basically said that publishers in average can expect to see twice the revenue with targeting than without which made me think if that's all then we should get rid of tracking and figure out how to live on half the money.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/veriz...

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Post by ergest »

Kunix wrote: post #108
tomduncalf wrote: post #43

Haha I swear I read something on here the other day about how trends are circular and it won't be long until del.icio.us is back, and here we are! I seem to recall del.icio.us being a great discovery tool, as well as a great way to catalog your bookmarks (another discovery tool that was great for a while was Stumbleupon). Will be interesting to see if anyone can bring back some of that "old school" curated/personal d…

I loved StumbleUpon, and I find myself missing a discovery tool like that one. Reddit and other websites give me the impression of running in loop. If anyone has good discovery tools to recommend!

I second this! Algorithmic discovery tools solve for sameness whereas StumbleUpon solved for variety. It was a wonderful tool for breaking out of thought bubbles.

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Post by jobigoud »

glenstein wrote: post #54

Delicious was for a time at the cultural nerve center of the web, and I think had the potential to be something like a twitter or a reddit if stewarded correctly. I like to think there was an alternate reality where Yahoo didn't run itself into the ground, and took its properties: delicious, flickr, tumblr, its massive userbase across fantasy sports, groups, news, messenger, geocities and answers, its email service,…

And Yahoo Pipes, to build your custom feed by taking multiple RSS feeds and building a graph with filters, split and merge.

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Post by westurner »

The Firefox (and Chromium) bookmarks storage and sync systems still don't persist tags!

"Allow reading and writing bookmark tags" https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225916

Notes re: how this could be standardized with JSON-LD: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225916#c116

The existing Web Experiment for persisting bookmark tags: https://github.com/azappella/webextension-experiment-tags/bl...

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Post by g5becks »

mmahemoff wrote: post #98
glenstein wrote: post #54

Delicious was for a time at the cultural nerve center of the web, and I think had the potential to be something like a twitter or a reddit if stewarded correctly. I like to think there was an alternate reality where Yahoo didn't run itself into the ground, and took its properties: delicious, flickr, tumblr, its massive userbase across fantasy sports, groups, news, messenger, geocities and answers, its email service,…

You can at least draw a line from Delicious to Reddit. Digg was originally modelled on the "popular" section of Delicious, an example of building a product out of a feature. Then Reddit saw a huge boost from the eventual Digg community exodus, after a time when Digg itself was the cultural nerve centre.

I was wondering if anyone was going to point this out. I can remember digg being bigger than everything besides maybe stumbleupon for a short while when it came to bookmarking sites.I never would have imagined reddit being what it is now.

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Post by drawkbox »

DharmaPolice wrote: post #101
Scarblac wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And threads stick around, rather than disappear after a few days.

This is the biggest single change for me. On Reddit I sometimes see a thread which is exactly in line with my interests, I have extensive knowledge of and would love to discuss with people. And then I see it was posted 22 hours ago, and so it's almost pointless replying to it. Old forums had the opposite issue (with threads years old being "necro'd" back to the top, confusing everyone) but at least you could have a d…

Or you find a 6 months to year old thread, for something like a movie discussion or timeless/semi-timeless topic, and it is locked. Back in the day threads could go for years, there is good (thoughtful discussion across time, changing opinions) and bad (spam, bots) to that but mostly good.

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Post by organsnyder »

nikhizzle wrote: post #121
glenstein wrote: post #54

Delicious was for a time at the cultural nerve center of the web, and I think had the potential to be something like a twitter or a reddit if stewarded correctly. I like to think there was an alternate reality where Yahoo didn't run itself into the ground, and took its properties: delicious, flickr, tumblr, its massive userbase across fantasy sports, groups, news, messenger, geocities and answers, its email service,…

Ex-yahoo here, thought I would add my 2 cents. Yahoo under Jerry and Filo (love them both, this is not personal) had a twin culture of niceness and bureaucracy which killed us. Here are an example of each: 1. Niceness - a coworker decided to just randomly not show up for work (not WFH, just disappear occasionally). I took it to management, and was told we don’t want to hurt his feelings. 2. Bureaucracy - I left yahoo…

Hard to tell without context, but that first example could easily be a positive: not only is extending grace to employees ethically a good thing to do, but it can also lead to increased productivity in the long run.

Of course, if the employee was completely MIA for an extended period of time and no effort was made to contact them, that's neither ethical nor productive.

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