Btw, thats a Viking raven ensign the soldiers are flying
Sailor pictured with laser rifle on board USS Minnesota nuclear sub
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#142This same technique is being used by the peaceful protesters in Portland, who have blinded half a dozen police officers in the last few days while peacefully burning down federal buildings.
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
What other protests have anywhere near this much violence? Gay rights movements have had large protests/marches for decades. Same with anti-abortion activists (and pro-choice activists). Hell, even literal neo-nazis have protests that don't get this violent.
The Stonewall riots (also referred to as the Stonewall uprising or the Stonewall rebellion) were a series of spontaneous, violent demonstrations by members of the gay (LGBT) community[note 1] in response to a police raid that began in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969, at the Stonewall Inn in the Greenwich Village neighborhood of Manhattan, New York City. Patrons of the Stonewall, other Village lesbian and gay…
That you had to go back to the 60s and 70s to make your point demonstrates how out of the ordinary these "mostly peaceful" protests are.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Stonewall riots (also referred to as the Stonewall uprising or the Stonewall rebellion) were a series of spontaneous, violent demonstrations by members of the gay (LGBT) community[note 1] in response to a police raid that began in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969, at the Stonewall Inn in the Greenwich Village neighborhood of Manhattan, New York City. Patrons of the Stonewall, other Village lesbian and gay…
That you had to go back to the 60s and 70s to make your point demonstrates how out of the ordinary these "mostly peaceful" protests are.
There are more recent examples, I'm sure you could find several on a few minutes' search.
A common element to many is protest not simply of some policy or political issue, but where the aggrieved group is seen by The System as non-persons, and the protest is aimed at the system itself. Most especially at how The System exerts its will, which is to say, through police forces, courts, and corrections. When the institutions of law and order themselves are questioned, common ground is thin, and dialogue gives way to protest, suppression, and violence.
The wave of George Floyd protests in 2020 is a continuation of the Black Lives Matter movement in 2013, itself evolving from the Civil Rights movement of the 1950s, 60s, and 70s, with its own history of violent outbursts in every decade since, many provoked by police brutality against minorities.
The principle distinguishing characteristic of the current protests in Portland, Seattle, New York, Chicago, and elsewhere is that the movement has general support well outside specific oppressed populations.
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
That you had to go back to the 60s and 70s to make your point demonstrates how out of the ordinary these "mostly peaceful" protests are.
There are more recent examples, I'm sure you could find several on a few minutes' search. A common element to many is protest not simply of some policy or political issue, but where the aggrieved group is seen by The System as non-persons, and the protest is aimed at the system itself. Most especially at how The System exerts its will, which is to say, through police forces, courts, and corrections. When the institut…
I'm not aware of any recent protests (e.g. last 10 years) in the US having the level of violence of these protests[0]. You don't seem to be aware of any either, since you haven't provided any examples, despite telling me how easily they could be found.
[0]: Which include over $500m in damages: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/07/11/federal-government-..., and that is just in one state. So the total is likely billions across the entire US.
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>It's obviously propaganda but it is very interesting nonetheless. Sorry, how is this video obviously propaganda?
Destin, the person behind Smarter Every Day was ex-military and he interviewed his old commanding officer. It was clearly mentioned that the military is doing this to reach out to potential recruits while sharing interesting knowledge. I believe the actual episode is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTYgcdNrXE
Nitpick; ex-military has a negative connotation to some; as in, implying they got there by way of dishonourable discharge, etc.
In my experience, most such people prefer the term former military.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the violence is non-zero, citizens may still vote with their feet.
They are voting with their feet, at first by showing up in droves to protest, and now more citizens showing up to support the protestors.
And other people are voting the opposite way by leaving.
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are more recent examples, I'm sure you could find several on a few minutes' search. A common element to many is protest not simply of some policy or political issue, but where the aggrieved group is seen by The System as non-persons, and the protest is aimed at the system itself. Most especially at how The System exerts its will, which is to say, through police forces, courts, and corrections. When the institut…
I'm not aware of any recent protests (e.g. last 10 years) in the US having the level of violence of these protests[0]. You don't seem to be aware of any either, since you haven't provided any examples, despite telling me how easily they could be found. [0]: Which include over $500m in damages: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/07/11/federal-government-... , and that is just in one state. So the total is likely billi…
One readily findable list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unr...
There are 35 incidents listed from 2010--2020, inclusive. Another 25 dating to 1990, which for some of us is still recent history. Damages for numerous events (in 2020 dollars) is in at least the $1s to $10s of millions of dollars range.
Even the quiescent 1980s sees 8 entries, down from 35 in the 1970s and over 65 listed for the 1960s, suggesting relatively little presentism bias.
Going back further, one finds the behaviour throughout US history, though with some decades standing out especially. The 1860s & 1870s, 1910s & 1920s (often white-on-black violence, including but scarcely limited to the Tulsa Race Massacre of 1921, but also other immigrant and anti-union violence).
The majority of the events from the 20th century onwards, but especially since 1990, are tied either to racial protest or incidents of police brutality or killing, Numerous others to white-nationalist or similar majority-induced violence.
Sufficiently aware?
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not aware of any recent protests (e.g. last 10 years) in the US having the level of violence of these protests[0]. You don't seem to be aware of any either, since you haven't provided any examples, despite telling me how easily they could be found. [0]: Which include over $500m in damages: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/07/11/federal-government-... , and that is just in one state. So the total is likely billi…
One readily findable list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unr... There are 35 incidents listed from 2010--2020, inclusive. Another 25 dating to 1990, which for some of us is still recent history. Damages for numerous events (in 2020 dollars) is in at least the $1s to $10s of millions of dollars range. Even the quiescent 1980s sees 8 entries, down from 35 in the 1970s and over 65 listed for t…
I've already seen that list. Here's the question I posed.
> What other protests have anywhere near this much violence?
The recent protests/riots have caused at least $500m dollars in damage per Minnesota's own claims. And substantially more if you include everything across the nation. There have also been at least 15 deaths as a result of the riots.
So I pose the question again, what other recent protests have caused anywhere near this amount of violence? From what you have provided, none. Almost no deaths and about a 100th of the property damages. Nothing you provided comes close.
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I didn't know! Thanks! But is permanent blindness actually a moral hazard if you're using that blindness to create an immediate opportunity to shoot the subject? I'm not a soldier so I might be way off but I'm assuming being totally blind for even a few seconds is a massive handicap in an engagement.
War is complicated. Depending on the philosopher or politician, soldier or commander you ask, it's purpose is fairly varied. Resource burn, attrition, making the other poor bastard die for his country... However, in general, the international community has tended to favor diplomacy favoring modalities of war. By diplomacy friendly, of course, it's still lethal, and loved ones are not at all guaranteed to come back ho…
Ask a soldier if they'd rather be dead or blind and they'll often choose blindness; however, can society handle a million corpses or a million blind dependents they feel obligated to take care of? That's a much harder question to answer, but the purely pragmatic perspective will choose the former.
It's sad to say, but many families taking care of gas attack survivors after WW1 grew to resent or even hate the victims because taking care of the victim cost the families the ability to live their lives. What is the quality of life for a victim stuck in a long-term care facility for the rest of their life to be alone and miserable for the next 50-60 years praying for an end they know is far off?
Experiencing the horror of war and seeing the sanitized depiction in Hollywood or games must be very different. After two world wars within 25 years, EVERYONE knew people crippled and ruined by war, so they set out with the idea to ensure it wouldn't happen to their children as well. Their grandchildren and great-grandchildren growing up in many places today seem to not really understand.
We need to accept that they knew what they were talking about else we run the risk of bringing those monsters back to life.