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LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Replace "government" with "society" (and centuries of moral philosophy too). If all good/bad decisions were made by individuals, we'd basically have anarchy and rule of the strongest - as most people would probably decide that "good" is what benefits themselves and their close friends.

All decisions are ultimately made by individuals. There is no such thing as a group. Decisions made by a “group” benefit some and harm others that disagree. It is literally impossible to arrive at an ideal situation when you poll a group. Every individual has unique needs.

> There is no such thing as a group

oof...

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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> 20 years for each one That is incredible. For a crime that harms noone.

Taking drugs and potentially becoming addicted has societal externalities. We currently have a opioid overdose epidemic in the US which taxes the emergency response system, not to mention the pain it causes to friends and family. There's a reason opiods are regulated in the medical industry (some would say too little).

Addicted to LSD?

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Is there any credible evidence that psychedelics reliably and "efficiently" help people learn things?

There's tons of evidence available online, but a big problem is a lack of agreement on what constitutes "credible evidence". There is a fairly significant amount of clinical evidence available (despite it being effectively banned from study for decades), but the vast majority of evidence available is anecdotal reports from users. It should be noted that while it's true that this class of evidence lacks a "proper" (st…

What a fascinating trip report.

When I first heard of Harris about 15 years ago, back when psychedelic use was still a relatively underground phenomenon and the so-called Psychedelic Renaissance was just beginning, I never dreamed I'd ever see a militant atheist like him transform in to a psychedelic advocate taking "heroic" mushroom doses and having what could be described as powerful mystical experience, even if he's not comfortable using such terms for what he experienced.

I do wonder if his atheism would survive more such powerful experiences. Already, from this one experience, he speaks of understanding how such such an experience could be interpreted in religious terms by those who were already religious. Again, such empathy and understanding is not something I would have expected 15 years ago from such a militant atheist.

Even if he never trips again, I have to commend him for being open-minded enough and curious enough to try psychedelics multiple times, and once at a relatively high dose. Many more close-minded people, who feel completely confident in an extremely one-sided world view, would never chance having their perspective radically altered with psychedelics. Yet he did. Kudos to him for that. If more people were so inquisitive and open-minded the world might be a much better place.

That's not to say that I view psychedelics as a panacea, and I agree with Harris that they're not for everyone. Their use entails real risks, and they can easily be misused by taking them without an experienced guide, without preparation or respect, or in the wrong set and setting. But at the same time, when used constructively, they have a profound potential for encouraging empathy, open-mindedness, improved cross-cultural and cross-denominational communication and understanding. Harris' experiences and transformation are evidence of this.

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Friend of a friend got caught with two sheets in the 90s and I think he got 20 years for each one. Downstate Illinois. My recollection was the weight of the blotter paper was considered as the drug itself and that easily increased the federal sentencing guidelines.

> 20 years for each one That is incredible. For a crime that harms noone.

Probably a good time to remind people that the cops who killed Breonna Taylor haven't yet been prosecuted.

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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The possibility of someone else's trauma shouldn't infringe on my freedom to ride a bike without a helmet.

This comment is depressingly American.

I mean why not make alcohol illegal because of the chance that it could negatively affect the people around you?

That has a much higher likelihood than my not-wearing-a-helmet affecting someone else but very few people would support alcohol prohibition.

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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There should be no victimless crimes! This man made a product that others willingly wanted for themselves. There are no victims here. This can be applied to seatbelts, helmet laws, etc.

Did I miss an /s or are you seriously arguing against seatbelt and helmet laws?

Are you missing a /s?

I’m simply arguing that individuals should have the freedom to choose.

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Did I miss an /s or are you seriously arguing against seatbelt and helmet laws?

Are you missing a /s? I’m simply arguing that individuals should have the freedom to choose.

In which situation would you legitimately not want to wear a seatbelt while driving?

Will you also demand that individuals be capable of choosing - in that they have all the sufficient information to make an informed choice and are not manipulated by psychological tricks?

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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post #327

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> 20 years for each one That is incredible. For a crime that harms noone.

Taking drugs and potentially becoming addicted has societal externalities. We currently have a opioid overdose epidemic in the US which taxes the emergency response system, not to mention the pain it causes to friends and family. There's a reason opiods are regulated in the medical industry (some would say too little).

LSD and opioids are very very different things, and a major driver of the opioid epidemic is certain companies in the pharmaceutical industry legally pushing it.

IMHO if alcohol and nicotine are legal, then anything "soft" that is not particularly addictive should be legal. It's fundamentally unjust to lock people up for using or having substances that are for the most part less dangerous than entirely legal and socially acceptable substances.

Alcohol is actually kind of nasty stuff if you look at the real statistics, especially if used in excess.

I'm not claiming LSD is absolutely harmless, just that it's not physically addictive at all and not nearly harmful enough to merit the harsh criminalization and heavy sentences it receives. LSD can be safe and rather interesting if used occasionally but heavy use or use by people with pre-existing psychotic tendencies can be psychologically dangerous.

My personal opinion is that drugs like LSD should be subject to some kind of licensing regime similar to other hazardous activities like driving a car, flying a plane, or owning and using firearms (in some states). I would also be in favor of blanket bans or at least heavy restrictions on any advertising for drugs, including alcohol, nicotine, and pharmaceuticals.

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Are you missing a /s? I’m simply arguing that individuals should have the freedom to choose.

In which situation would you legitimately not want to wear a seatbelt while driving? Will you also demand that individuals be capable of choosing - in that they have all the sufficient information to make an informed choice and are not manipulated by psychological tricks?

In which situation would you legitimately not want to wear a seatbelt while driving?

I can’t think of any. That doesn’t mean I would take that choice away from people that have a reason.

Re: LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

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Friend of a friend got caught with two sheets in the 90s and I think he got 20 years for each one. Downstate Illinois. My recollection was the weight of the blotter paper was considered as the drug itself and that easily increased the federal sentencing guidelines.

> 20 years for each one That is incredible. For a crime that harms noone.

Meanwhile rapists and child molesters often serve only a few years, if that...
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