LSD chemist William Pickard to be released from prison

Post by cheschire » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 5:40 PM UTC

grayhatter wrote: post #235

cheschire wrote: post #197

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OP mentioned terrorism clearly as an after thought. The bulk of their message was focused on crime. This gives your position a sort of "knee jerk" air about it. To then be given a low effort downvote option to facilitate your low effort analysis simply enables your perpetuation of a reactive culture. And you're not one person against the world. You don't need to correct every single misinformed opinion on the entire…

I did, I replied to you. But OP did their argument a huge disservice. Even considering I wasn't focused on that aspect given I specifically chose "bad guys" instead of terrorists. Or that their concept that drugs are necessarily connected with crime. Their argument with or without adding in terrorism is based upon a either a lie or a misunderstanding. One that would wrongly have additional credibility seeming to be t…

Post by xg15 » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 5:41 PM UTC

marcrosoft wrote: post #273

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>> Control the action by the bad actor, not the drug. That was what the legal system did in the 18th century. It didn't work. Allowing people to buy poisons, weapons, even explosives and only punishing them once they harmed others has been deemed unacceptable. We now prevent crime by limiting access to such substances, hand in hand with governments licensing who may access them. Don't like not having access to someth…

The problem with this logic as I see it is that you place the good/bad verdict in the hands of the gov. instead of the individual. An example that comes to mind is Redbull and strike anywhere matches are banned in several countries. Both of these substances have been shown to be used responsibly in the majority of other countries.

Post by pessimizer » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 5:42 PM UTC

grayhatter wrote: post #252

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I understand where you're coming from, but it doesn't seem so clear cut to me. Let's say: I have a choice to outlaw drug X or not. I can infer with near certainty that this policy will lead to a black market run by violence that gets people killed. Nevertheless, I outlaw drug X. People get killed. What responsibility do I bear? I honestly don't know, but neither "none" nor "100%" sounds right to me.

It's not clear cut, but the metrics chosen are important. If you care about drug use more than violence, it does seem to be clear cut. Same for the inverse. You bear no responsibility. Everyone must take responsibility for their own actions. I have a kid, I raise him to the best of my ability, and commit no egregious mistakes. He grows up and murders someone. Am I at fault? Obviously not, just because I'm a part of t…

Post by teawrecks » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 5:43 PM UTC

marcrosoft wrote: post #257

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>> This man made a product that others willingly wanted for themselves. There are no victims here People may think LSD or cocaine is all well and good, but there are far more dangerous substances out there. Things like Carfentanil need to be regulated. So too all the so-called "date rape" drugs. Just because some guy wants a powerful, tasteless, anesthetic that can be readily dissolved in water doesn't mean we should…

Control the action by the bad actor, not the drug. This same thinking was applied to LSD. “What if they put LSD in the water supply!”

Post by smabie » Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 5:45 PM UTC

Dumblydorr wrote: post #140

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To make an example out of them and discourage others, prevent a cottage industry from forming. LSD manufacturing scales immensely. One lone wolf could create enough LSD to serve the whole United States demand, maybe even the global demand. LSD is also harder to manufacture. You generally need at least a MS degree and lab experience. The people who fit that profile tend to think about the future enough to respond to t…

Do criminals actually respond to deterrents though? Sam Harris argues otherwise in a couple of podcasts and I tend to agree...people break the law constantly without thought of the penalties. People text while driving when that could kill someone else.