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The lack of statistics about success/failure otherwise seems to imply more of a "we don't know for sure"?
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Well, the Apple/Google mechanism is not useful for surveillance.
It is, though. If you're not infected you retain your privacy, but once you're infected and give up your contact tracing key, everyone can know whether you have been near them or not. Combine this fact with a network of Bluetooth beacons at fixed locations and a malicious actor can basically track where anywhere an infected person has went.
[1] https://covid19-static.cdn-apple.com/applications/covid19/cu...
There has to be a clever way of doing this that isn’t super invasive. Having businesses record their customers and retain the only copy seems like a good compromise except something like personal phone numbers would be abused. Maybe best would be something identifiable only to the authorities but recorded and held only by businesses. Something like driver’s license date of issuance and first name. In theory that woul…
South Korea already solved this problem: https://www.zdnet.com/article/south-korea-to-use-qr-codes-to... There is QR code provider and QR code scanner. QR code provider includes Naver (Google in South Korea) and Kakao (WhatsApp in South Korea). QR code scanner is mandatory at venues. QR code is a random UUID. Venues keep UUID (but do not know real world identity), providers keep UUID-to-identity mapping (but do not k…
They are far more capable of shutting new clusters down AND CONTROL IT. When we send people into quarantine in the West, we plea for them to stay home and everything is trust based because we want to keep our free society. Effectively, only very large local outbreak cases enjoy oversight by authorities.
Taiwan's pandemic game was on point before WHO finally let the rest of the world know about what has been suppressed in China for weeks if not months. Due to China's pressure they aren't part of WHO or UN and had no "official" global way to tell the rest of the world. They did, but were dismissed due to the massive hubris in the West and the geopolitical game China is playing.
SARS 1 is still on everyone's mind in Asia while many Americans outright deny Corona's existence even in July 2020. It's nuts.
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It is, though. If you're not infected you retain your privacy, but once you're infected and give up your contact tracing key, everyone can know whether you have been near them or not. Combine this fact with a network of Bluetooth beacons at fixed locations and a malicious actor can basically track where anywhere an infected person has went.
"everyone can know whether you have been near them or not." For a very broad definition of "you" and for an unconventionally small set called "everyone". If you are forced to quarantine, a lot of people will know about your infection anyways, completely without any convoluted mental gymnastics about theoretical deanonyzation possibilities. Epidemic control has always been a very low privacy endeavor and app-based tra…
Did I miss something or are low adoption rates and bluetooth issues the only indicators that decentralized tracking has failed, as pointed out in the article? The lack of statistics about success/failure otherwise seems to imply more of a "we don't know for sure"?
If I am told to self isolate for any duration of time, will the government provide 100% of my lost wages? Will they support businesses who could be put in real trouble from someone having time off? What about potential repeated cases of isolation?
Most people (including myself) will do anything to avoid being on their radar, and will not cooperate under any circumstance due to the reality that losing money is simply not an option for me, or my employers (where I could be replaced within a day, and that's my job gone).
Sadly, most governments haven't got well thought out policies, thus reducing the potential pool of users who'd engage with contact tracing (whether done via smartphone or manual like the UK).
We desperately need a UBI, for everyone, every month, forever, regardless of status (though, if you earn over a certain amount I'd agree with limiting the UBI, like for million/billionaires).
Otherwise, as we saw recently, someone infected over 70 people because she didn't isolate, because she needs food and a roof, it was a case of infect people (and risk them dying) or...dying because she can't afford rent/basics?
Yeah...This pandemic has exposed that capitalism is fucked, and during the worst virus outbreak this century there's no support for those that need it.
Even if I wanted to isolate, I couldn't afford to. Therefore I cannot comply with any contact tracing efforts.
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Maybe, but privacy is worth protecting, more than ever.
Over lives?
> the reliability of distance estimates using Bluetooth signal attenuation Take a look NOVID [0] the app CMU professor and graduate students built. It uses ultrasound to be accurate within 1m. It also approaches the utility of contact tracing in a completely different way. [0] https://www.novid.org/
Also this thread is filled with people complaining about bluetooth spying capabilities and now you post an app with bluetooth always on AND microphone always listening?
There has to be a clever way of doing this that isn’t super invasive. Having businesses record their customers and retain the only copy seems like a good compromise except something like personal phone numbers would be abused. Maybe best would be something identifiable only to the authorities but recorded and held only by businesses. Something like driver’s license date of issuance and first name. In theory that woul…
South Korea already solved this problem: https://www.zdnet.com/article/south-korea-to-use-qr-codes-to... There is QR code provider and QR code scanner. QR code provider includes Naver (Google in South Korea) and Kakao (WhatsApp in South Korea). QR code scanner is mandatory at venues. QR code is a random UUID. Venues keep UUID (but do not know real world identity), providers keep UUID-to-identity mapping (but do not k…
In Seoul—among highest in the country in terms of new infection cases—coffeeshops, study cafes and restaurants are routinely really crowded. I have been working or eating out in one of such places here every day past two months, and I have never have been asked to scan a QR code or noticed one. I’ve only learned about it thanks to your comment.
(That said, I haven’t gone to karaoke, clubs or jjimjilbangs, and I can’t speak Korean well.)
I think restaurants and cafes are a highly underestimated vector of SARS-CoV-2 transmission in Korea especially, since many of the customers aren’t wearing masks (because they’re eating) and often speak quite loudly (perhaps to drown out the inescapable loud music or from being drunk on a semi-mandatory after-work party). Usually bothersome just to me, now it’s objectively problematic—as some doctor pointed out in an interview about a choir group infection, literally the louder you are the more of your potentially-infected saliva is flying around.
You are already living in a surveillance state. The difference is unlike in other places in the world you can complain and shout about it.