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Maybe, but privacy is worth protecting, more than ever.
Over lives?
Privacy is a fundamental part of freedom. If we don't have it, being technically breathing lacks value.
Smartphone contact tracing has failed everywhere
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#22Good. Why are people suddenly okay with building likely-permanent surveillance systems for temporary outbreaks? How would Apple ever reasonably remove this feature?
Well, the Apple/Google mechanism is not useful for surveillance.
It is if you build Bluetooth scanners everywhere in a city and correlate the scan data with other surveillance data, as simple as pointing a camera at whoever passes by a scanner.
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#23Very wrong. Smartphone contact tracing is successful. (e.g. in South Korea.) It's only decentralised smartphone contact tracing that failed.
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Over lives?
It's a false choice. But even if it were true, yes, over lives. People already died fighting for my liberal rights, I'm not willing to trade any of that for some temporary safety. I'm from a Warsaw pact country. Seeing westerners so willing to give up their rights these days is so deeply disappointing.
It's easy to give something up when you don't understand the danger of losing it. And we live in times where it's easier to give up your privacy than ever before.
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#25Good. Why are people suddenly okay with building likely-permanent surveillance systems for temporary outbreaks? How would Apple ever reasonably remove this feature?
"I'm sure it'll only be used in opposition to my political opponents" - Says, unfortunately, everyone on all sides.
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#26"Contact tracing" was the new "blockchain" for a while. It is a technology with great potential, but I don't expect a truely effective, well-designed solution to be deployed at a large enough scale to be useful for years to come. I think it will eventually mature enough to be useful for future outbreaks - even for more benign disease. For now, though, I want to see the technology spend a little more time in the oven.
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#27> the reliability of distance estimates using Bluetooth signal attenuation
Take a look NOVID [0] the app CMU professor and graduate students built.
It uses ultrasound to be accurate within 1m.
It also approaches the utility of contact tracing in a completely different way.
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#28There has to be a clever way of doing this that isn’t super invasive. Having businesses record their customers and retain the only copy seems like a good compromise except something like personal phone numbers would be abused.
Maybe best would be something identifiable only to the authorities but recorded and held only by businesses. Something like driver’s license date of issuance and first name. In theory that would be meaningless to my local coffee shop or grocer; but if I tested positive contact tracers could go there and get that info (maybe just the day of my visit, or afternoon, etc.) and then correlate and contact others who visited during that time.
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Over lives?
This is the same argument as justifying the NSA's mass surveillance with terrorism. Because lives are involved, it's propagated like a killer argument. Fact is, you don't know if even worse things aren't going to be enabled with this technology.
Cell location is already available to criminal investigation by law enforcement agency under warrant. It's a simple matter of legislating to make it available to epidemic investigation by health agency under warrant-like procedure. South Korea made such law after 2015 MERS epidemic. It does not enable NSA-like mass surveillance. Just do it now, so you can use it the next time.