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Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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Some tangentially relevant observations based on volunteering at a raptor conservation trust in the UK. The trust maintains a visitor park that provides bird displays and experience days for the general public. The gate takings and donations fund conservation activities in the UK (raptor nest boxes, bird hospital, bird surveys) and overseas activities (e.g. reducing poisoning of wild birds by game poachers). The Trus…

Thanks, that was insightful and encouraging.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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When I was working in that field any 'software development' I did was alongside everything else I did. Most of that was online database and website work and some scripts to make analyzing data easier. I still spent far more time doing field work, writing reports and hustling for grant money though.

May I ask where that was? That sounds like a good deal to me, to be honest with you - I don't mind getting my hands dirty - it breaks up the monotony of development sometimes.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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A few thoughts: - https://4returns.earth/network/job-listings/ is in the regenerative ag space - lists some tech jobs if you search for them. (e.g. try https://4returns.earth/network/job-listings/?searchval=devel... ) - Conservation is only one area, and the term 'conservation' itself is a frame I've been more critical of after reading papers like https://www.uv.es/jgpausas/papers/Pausas-Millan-2019_BioScie... which…

Thanks, that's very useful! Will read through those links.

> developing a perspective before jumping into anything

Probably the biggest takeaway here, for me. Each domain is more complex than it appears on the surface.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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It's most certainly better for your soul, but get ready to take a pay cut. After a short career in game development and a much longer career in museum/library/archives, my take is that our societies values are out of whack: the more your job benefits your community and the planet the less you will get paid, and vice versa. It's even worse for social services. You'll also take a hit in your reputation among other deve…

when I left Google to work in clean energy, I took a 50% pay cut. But, that's still more than enough money to live very happily on. IMO it's true what they say about there being no marginal improvement to happiness after ~80k.

Glad you're happy, I also want to get out of my current industry eventually. How much was 50% actually? For all I know, you could have went from 400k -> 200k. Do you live in a HCOL area?

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lobbyists require data. Existing wildlife laws require enforcement. Political support requires mobilization. All of the above can be helped by smart, enthusiastic developers. If more people help out, we can save the tiger and the forest.

All of this requires political support. You can't collect the data if you are not allowed to or if your results are silenced. Enforcement requires political will, otherwise the criminals never get prosecuted or flee to their home countries. Until we get "the establishment" to care about this, doing any work in this field is simply for vanity or to make you feel good.

> doing any work in this field is simply for vanity or to make you feel good

Making blanketing, dismissive claims about everyone who works in a specific field is a great way to end the conversation.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

#76

Start investigating biodiversity informatics. There are a lot of different aspects in this space: genomics, georeferencing, image processing for feature extraction, etc, as well as typical distributed systems infrastructure.

As a Python developer I once used BioPython for rNA/DNA related data exploration and liked it. Could not figure out how I could explore this niche further due to lack of domain knowledge and a clear path.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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It's most certainly better for your soul, but get ready to take a pay cut. After a short career in game development and a much longer career in museum/library/archives, my take is that our societies values are out of whack: the more your job benefits your community and the planet the less you will get paid, and vice versa. It's even worse for social services. You'll also take a hit in your reputation among other deve…

> my take is that our societies values are out of whack: the more your job benefits your community and the planet the less you will get paid, and vice versa. It's even worse for social services. There is no "what society values" at work here, only supply and demand. What you witness is the fact that jobs that have intrinsic meaning and are more fulfilling are paid less well, because employees are willing to make that…

I think you are right about the market effects, but wrong about the causes. The way I see it, it's not that the employees are willing to make the sacrifice per se, it's that there are just more job applicants total. If the supply is increased, the price will drop. It's not that people want to work for a lower wage and then make up for it in the quality of the work, it's that since the population is broader, you find more people willing to work for a lower wage. You get the less frequent edges of the Gaussian curves because you have more people. You see this in zoos, hospitals, elder care, etc.

It's not a question of society being backwards, it's just a function of market based jobs. The cause is amoral and independent of the wishes of the people in the system, though the effects very much have moral relevance.

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> my take is that our societies values are out of whack: the more your job benefits your community and the planet the less you will get paid, and vice versa. It's even worse for social services. There is no "what society values" at work here, only supply and demand. What you witness is the fact that jobs that have intrinsic meaning and are more fulfilling are paid less well, because employees are willing to make that…

I think you are right about the market effects, but wrong about the causes. The way I see it, it's not that the employees are willing to make the sacrifice per se , it's that there are just more job applicants total. If the supply is increased, the price will drop. It's not that people want to work for a lower wage and then make up for it in the quality of the work, it's that since the population is broader, you find…

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Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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Nature and animal conservation is a political issue. The best use of your skills would be to aid in the lobbying efforts for tighter regulations and more money for developing countries. You might save a tiger, but in the year it took you to save him, Brazil cut down 8 million hectares of the rain forest for palm oil.

Why is this downvoted? We need people to do the actual work but we also need people to support the political projects to enable people to do the actual work.

I assume it was downvoted because it attempts to reduce a complex issue down to a single dimension while providing nothing of substance for the OP. It's also misinformed, by creating the false dichotomy of saving a tiger or saving a forest, and by ignoring that wildlife conservation is a lightning rod for public support that leads to wider initiatives.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

you missed two 0s for our postdocs annual net salary. But hey, generalization is so great. And while I understand that in most parts of the world, it's paid a lot worse and you might have problems making ends met, I don't really get, how you want to solve these problems (interlinked with nowadays capitalism) by getting more kids (wow, just 30t of CO2/year more "output") and helping the 1% redistribute an even larger…

Some people want to have kids

yes? if you want to have kids by 30, a PhD probably isn't right for you. A career in science might as well probably not work out. So what, not everyone needs to procreate?!
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