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Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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What country is this?

I am in the UK but I am willing to relocate.

I would not bother with the US if you would need work visa sponsorship. No non-profit I've ever worked with ever had the resources to do that. You might have better luck with consulting where they don't need to relocate or sponsor you.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

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It's most certainly better for your soul, but get ready to take a pay cut. After a short career in game development and a much longer career in museum/library/archives, my take is that our societies values are out of whack: the more your job benefits your community and the planet the less you will get paid, and vice versa. It's even worse for social services. You'll also take a hit in your reputation among other deve…

> the more your job benefits your community and the planet the less you will get paid, and vice versa. It's even worse for social services. In a free market economy, this is an entirely false statement. People pay for the things they value. They more they value it, the more they pay. Compare the amount of hours spent playing video games to the amount of hours spent touring museums. It's not close. People value video…

You're making a very broad statement here. A more specific one would demonstrate the underlying problem. Our society relies on the free market to assign value to work, and the free market values video games higher than education or improving the environment that supports us. Capitalism doesn't really support the values people would at least claim to believe in.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

#44

Yes there are jobs and yes the non-profit industry needs your talents. Software jobs in the industry fall into one of 4 buckets in my experience. Don't expect much career growth or pay. Most of the work is in support of fundraising. Be willing to work at a vendor that serves the non-profit industry. - Web development. Nonprofits need websites. Sometimes they may have a dev on staff, usually they at least have a digit…

In my personal experience working in nonprofits there is a tendency for organizations to have the actual technical work done by vendors rather than staff unless the work is central to the mission of the organization. There's a feeling that this is cheaper than trying to hire and maintain staff with those skills.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

#45
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the more your job benefits your community and the planet the less you will get paid, and vice versa. It's even worse for social services. In a free market economy, this is an entirely false statement. People pay for the things they value. They more they value it, the more they pay. Compare the amount of hours spent playing video games to the amount of hours spent touring museums. It's not close. People value video…

In my statement I wasn't trying to center museums particularly. The OP was asking about nature conservation and museums/libraries are the aspect of preservation of the natural world or care of people and communities that I'm most familiar with. Our capitalist society doesn't place much value on these. [Update: wording]

Sustainable tourism is a good example that is helping add value to the natural world within the constraints of our capitalist society. When an animal is worth more alive than dead then local people are more likely to protect it. Gorilla Trekking in Rwanada and Uganda are examples where the tourism dollars had greatly reduced poaching in the parks. Sadly things are unravelling without tourism money coming into the country and poaching is on the rise.

Unfortunately there aren't going to be many jobs in this sector currently until COVID-19 is brought more under control.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

#46
Find a grad student working on research projects in the field. Every area of focus will have different requirements but almost all wildlife related field work involves some form of data entry that involves transfer from data in a notebook to excel or some CAD program. Challenges include no access to cell data, wet environments, battery management, etc. That being said, if it cuts down on tedium, most researchers will find a way to pay for it.

I've seen a plant identification app disrupt the process of species identification with field guides. I suspect that there are a lot of tedious classification projects that professors assign to undergrad researchers (find photos with wildlife) that can be entirely automated.

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#47

Nature and animal conservation is a political issue. The best use of your skills would be to aid in the lobbying efforts for tighter regulations and more money for developing countries. You might save a tiger, but in the year it took you to save him, Brazil cut down 8 million hectares of the rain forest for palm oil.

Why is this downvoted? We need people to do the actual work but we also need people to support the political projects to enable people to do the actual work.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

#48
Some tangentially relevant observations based on volunteering at a raptor conservation trust in the UK.

The trust maintains a visitor park that provides bird displays and experience days for the general public. The gate takings and donations fund conservation activities in the UK (raptor nest boxes, bird hospital, bird surveys) and overseas activities (e.g. reducing poisoning of wild birds by game poachers). The Trust itself is very much an outdoor organisation, with key staff supporting bird care and site infrastructure. There is a small back office that supports ops, marketing and merchandising, using COTS software. Academic research is conducted but in conjunction with local universities, which is where data crunching, etc, happens. There are a small number of on-site student placements, primarily for those in biology / zoology courses, and the placement activities seem fairly practical in nature. I suspect that most similar organisations follow a similar pattern, with a relatively small COTS software footprint and a focus on practical tasks rather than software development / data analysis.

That said, I started volunteering to support an office-based marketing function: management of a massive photo library and video editing to support marketing and outreach functions. After six months of doing this, COVID-19 happened and most office staff started WFH, with office-based volunteering suspended because it involves hot-desking. When the park started to reopen, I switched to COVID-related activities such as queue management (‘space marshal’) and cleaning. Although some tasks are menial, I’ve learned much more about how the trust works on a daily basis and I’ve got to know the key bird staff much better.

One of my key insights, as an ex-software professional, is how much I didn’t know about how conservation actually works, and how specific conservation organisations actually operate. But getting hands-on with some of the less glamorous tasks is a good apprenticeship and a way of building trust in the industry, if you have a long-term interest in directly supporting conservation.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any software jobs in nature/animal conservation?

#49
post #44

Yes there are jobs and yes the non-profit industry needs your talents. Software jobs in the industry fall into one of 4 buckets in my experience. Don't expect much career growth or pay. Most of the work is in support of fundraising. Be willing to work at a vendor that serves the non-profit industry. - Web development. Nonprofits need websites. Sometimes they may have a dev on staff, usually they at least have a digit…

In my personal experience working in nonprofits there is a tendency for organizations to have the actual technical work done by vendors rather than staff unless the work is central to the mission of the organization. There's a feeling that this is cheaper than trying to hire and maintain staff with those skills.

It may be less about it being cheaper, and more that you know what your budget is for a given year but perhaps not what it is three years from now. You can spend this year's budget with confidence and not worry about having to lay off your dev staff next year when donations dry up. It also requires management expertise to manage a software building team - not something a lot of non-profits have.

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It depends on the country, probably. I would suggest you to assure first a well paid job and use your free time for volunteer activities. Nobody should be doing science before 50 Yo. Not at this moment when postdocs are being paid 300 euro/month. Is committing economical suicide and starting a family first and having kids should be your priority. About oceanography. If you can read spanish (if not, you can always goo…

you missed two 0s for our postdocs annual net salary. But hey, generalization is so great. And while I understand that in most parts of the world, it's paid a lot worse and you might have problems making ends met, I don't really get, how you want to solve these problems (interlinked with nowadays capitalism) by getting more kids (wow, just 30t of CO2/year more "output") and helping the 1% redistribute an even larger…

Some people want to have kids
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