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Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by isbvhodnvemrwvn »

0x00000000 wrote: post #306
varenc wrote: post #282

“ As a result of this breach, all user permissions were reset, making all profiles visible to all users ” This seems like the opposite of how a sensible permissioning data model should work.

“But A/B testing showed more ‘user engagement’ when you default to public”

I think it's an older issue. Before it was sold, GEDmatch was ran by several part-time developers. It was running some old PHP 5 version the last time I checked. In general I advise to be very sceptical of amateur-ran genealogy sites - I know of at least 3 search engines with obvious SQL injection issues (which allow me to run better queries, but still). All of the major commercial sites had some sort of leaks as well (I'm not sure about FamilySearch).

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by Thorrez »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #331
Thorrez wrote: post #257

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>Bart Ehrman says the ideas of eternal rewards and punishments aren't found in the Old Testament or in the teachings of Jesus. What about Matthew 25:46? > Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. That article seems to assert that Jesus taught the soul cannot live apart from the body. There are various other quotes from Jesus contradicting that. John 14:1-3: > Do not let your he…

In the gospels Jesus is a guy who walks around talking in parables and analogies 100% of the time. Taking his sentences literally and building an elaborate theology involving an eternal lake of fire doesn't seem true to the spirit of things at all. Nevermind that the gospels themselves are copies of copies of texts that were written long after this man lives. Having been brought up evangelical Christian I just find t…

Sure a lake of fire is an analogy. But "eternal punishment" seems pretty clear and not an analogy.

Taking parables literally obviously we shouldn't do. But interpreting them and building a theology around them seems to be exactly what Jesus wanted. Jesus even interpreted some of them for his apostles (Mark 4:3-20).

Jesus never said we should take scripture as our sole source of truth and ignore other sources. Jesus gave the power to guide the Church to his apostles, and specifically Peter (Matthew 16:18). We can even see the apostles using this power in Acts 15 to establish doctrine. A good explanation of this is in this video[1]. They can continue to use this power at the council of Nicea.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJCbCs-y1_k

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

Thorrez wrote: post #260
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #205

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>the Bible Jesus directly talks about people being in Hell. Jesus talked about people being in Gehenna (burning trash dump outside Jerusalem), Hades (Limbo or Paradise, Sheol in Hebrew) and I think Tartarus (deep pit). Tartarus may be OT only, I can't recall ATM. All those terms, each with it's own intent and meaning, were later rolled into Hell (which received a new meaning, one different from any of the original te…

I don't really think the name matters; Jesus wasn't speaking English. It's the concept that matters. I think Matthew 25:46 covers the concept well: > Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

>I don't really think the name matters; Jesus wasn't speaking English.

Diction mattered a great deal to Christ. Gehanna (Hebrew: Valley of Hinnom; גיא בן הינום) was a location in Christ's time, that was likely associated with burning, destruction and loss - things that one might be expected to feel in the absence of the Creator.

Hades was where all dead went and remained until the day of judgment. Christ's reference to it as Paradise implies it isn't a place of suffering. Catholicism's Limbo implies it is a place of waiting.

The modern notion of Hell as a location dedicated to the eternal suffering of man, is quite different from either of those places.

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by Thorrez »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #413
Thorrez wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really think the name matters; Jesus wasn't speaking English. It's the concept that matters. I think Matthew 25:46 covers the concept well: > Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

>I don't really think the name matters; Jesus wasn't speaking English. Diction mattered a great deal to Christ. Gehanna (Hebrew: Valley of Hinnom; גיא בן הינום) was a location in Christ's time, that was likely associated with burning, destruction and loss - things that one might be expected to feel in the absence of the Creator. Hades was where all dead went and remained until the day of judgment. Christ's reference…

Jesus said "Then they will go away to eternal punishment". That seems clear enough to me that there's some place (not necessarily a physical place) where people will suffer eternally. I think that covers the basics of the Christian view of Hell. Whether it's associated with burning or not seems a lesser matter to me.

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by mellosouls »

isbvhodnvemrwvn wrote: post #409
mellosouls wrote: post #340

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The point is, it's not just your data. It's shared with other people who may not want it being publicised to all and sundry.

That's ridiculous. Should I not use my surname because I identify my parents, my brothers and some of my cousins? I think bodily autonomy applies here.

You are giving far more away with DNA information; it's not remotely the same.

The point is, at the very least it's a grey area, so to dismiss the counter points so airily as you have done on such a serious subject indicates - at best - a lack of reflection and respect for the rights of others.

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

Thorrez wrote: post #414
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #413

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't really think the name matters; Jesus wasn't speaking English. Diction mattered a great deal to Christ. Gehanna (Hebrew: Valley of Hinnom; גיא בן הינום) was a location in Christ's time, that was likely associated with burning, destruction and loss - things that one might be expected to feel in the absence of the Creator. Hades was where all dead went and remained until the day of judgment. Christ's reference…

Jesus said "Then they will go away to eternal punishment". That seems clear enough to me that there's some place (not necessarily a physical place) where people will suffer eternally. I think that covers the basics of the Christian view of Hell. Whether it's associated with burning or not seems a lesser matter to me.

>That seems clear enough to me that there's some place (not necessarily a physical place)

Did God create this place?

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by kzrdude »

alcover wrote: post #318
mirimir wrote: post #206

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Before that happens, I'm guessing that full DNA sequencing at birth will be a legal requirement. Like footprints are now.

Holly... You're right. This will happen. To an over-arching state this is the ultimate modus. INSERT INTO Citizen(dob,ssn) VALUES 2030-10-28, sha(atgcaatgcatcgc..)

hashing (sha) is not very appropriate since you're not likely to ever reproduce exactly the same base pair sequence for the same person.

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by drdeca »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #389
drdeca wrote: post #388

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> You can identify which parent any chromosome came from. They're all marked, and the same genetics may do sharply different things depending on whether it was inherited from the father or the mother. I did not know this. This sounds interesting! Can you provide any google search terms (or a link) where I can read more about this? (e.g. a name of what they are marked with) This surprises me. I thought that there was…

> Can you provide any google search terms (or a link) where I can read more about this? (e.g. a name of what they are marked with) The term I know related to this is "methylation". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_methylation . I don't know all that much about it; I would not want to claim that methylation is the only such mechanism, or that this is the only information expressed by DNA methylation. > I thought that…

Ahhh, cool, thank you! That makes sense now, thanks!
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