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Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

Thorrez wrote: post #257
kmonsen wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that is true, see for example: https://www.npr.org/2020/03/31/824479587/heaven-and-hell-are...

>Bart Ehrman says the ideas of eternal rewards and punishments aren't found in the Old Testament or in the teachings of Jesus. What about Matthew 25:46? > Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. That article seems to assert that Jesus taught the soul cannot live apart from the body. There are various other quotes from Jesus contradicting that. John 14:1-3: > Do not let your he…

In the gospels Jesus is a guy who walks around talking in parables and analogies 100% of the time. Taking his sentences literally and building an elaborate theology involving an eternal lake of fire doesn't seem true to the spirit of things at all.

Nevermind that the gospels themselves are copies of copies of texts that were written long after this man lives.

Having been brought up evangelical Christian I just find the whole thing kind of baffling and a little enraging now. What I was taught was in scriptures isn't, really. If you read them again without the template of the interpretation given by the church there's dozens of different ways to interpret that look nothing like Christian (protestant or catholic) theology.

If I weren't an atheist now I'd at least be some kind of heterodox non-Nicean blasphemer, because it's absolutely confusing to me that anybody can take the council of Nicea and related councils seriously.

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by moisto »

jacquesm wrote: post #199

And half the DNA of all of the siblings and parents of the people that submitted their DNA, a quarter of their grandparents and grandchildren and so on. That's what I really hate about these companies, they get people to submit their DNA and the customers do not realize it isn't a decision that affects just them.

I remember hearing about some dude in his 80's , arrested out of the blue, for a murder he committed ~30 years ago.

The police used the crime scene's partial DNA and compared it to somebody's 23andMe sample.

Thanks a lot, grandson!

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by [deleted] »

dcgudeman wrote: post #233
jacquesm wrote: post #199

And half the DNA of all of the siblings and parents of the people that submitted their DNA, a quarter of their grandparents and grandchildren and so on. That's what I really hate about these companies, they get people to submit their DNA and the customers do not realize it isn't a decision that affects just them.

So I should get the consent of my entire extended family before I ever submit my DNA to a service for analysis?

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Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by dewey »

moisto wrote: post #332
jacquesm wrote: post #199

And half the DNA of all of the siblings and parents of the people that submitted their DNA, a quarter of their grandparents and grandchildren and so on. That's what I really hate about these companies, they get people to submit their DNA and the customers do not realize it isn't a decision that affects just them.

I remember hearing about some dude in his 80's , arrested out of the blue, for a murder he committed ~30 years ago. The police used the crime scene's partial DNA and compared it to somebody's 23andMe sample. Thanks a lot, grandson!

That's probably the story you are referring to: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/10/we-will-find-you-dna...

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by moisto »

dewey wrote: post #334
moisto wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember hearing about some dude in his 80's , arrested out of the blue, for a murder he committed ~30 years ago. The police used the crime scene's partial DNA and compared it to somebody's 23andMe sample. Thanks a lot, grandson!

That's probably the story you are referring to: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/10/we-will-find-you-dna...

Oh, wow yep that's the one. Thanks for source!

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by alistairSH »

ransom1538 wrote: post #267
jacquesm wrote: post #199

And half the DNA of all of the siblings and parents of the people that submitted their DNA, a quarter of their grandparents and grandchildren and so on. That's what I really hate about these companies, they get people to submit their DNA and the customers do not realize it isn't a decision that affects just them.

Ignorant question here. How is this not regulated through HIPAA? Shouldn't these board members of this company face prison? DNA, a prosecutor could argue is a unique health identifier. "Access to equipment containing health information should be carefully controlled and monitored." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Insurance_Portability_a...

HIPPA only applies to a specific list of covered entities... health providers, insurance, etc.

DNA services are not currently considered covered entities.

They should be, IMO, but I believe Congress would have to act.

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by alexpotato »

jrib wrote: post #304
Random_ernest wrote: post #244

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With likely very dire results, yes I think you should. If your mothers insurance rate goes up, since you got one of these dna tests for Christmas, she should be involved in the decision to publish this data in the first place.

In the US, Congress has passed a law that explicitly makes that specific practice illegal: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_Information_Nondiscr... What workarounds insurance companies come up with to circumvent the spirit of the law and how well it can be enforced will be interesting.

And George W. Bush, a Republican, signed this into law. I remember thinking that strange at the time because I would have thought insurance companies would want to be able to use DNA information and the Republicans being more of a "big business" party would have supported that.

Also, I found out last time this discussion came up on HN that the law prevents it being used for regular insurance but does not apply to life insurance.

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by yummypaint »

sbassi wrote: post #288
dcgudeman wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I should get the consent of my entire extended family before I ever submit my DNA to a service for analysis?

Your data, your rules. I put my 23andme raw data in github ( https://github.com/sbassi/MiGenomaSbassi ) for the world to see and use without asking anybody in my family.

The federal Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act does prohibit insurers from asking for or using your genetic information to make decisions about whether to sell you health insurance or how much to charge you. But those privacy protections don't apply to long-term-care policies, life insurance or disability insurance.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/08/07/6360262...

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by mellosouls »

sbassi wrote: post #288
dcgudeman wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I should get the consent of my entire extended family before I ever submit my DNA to a service for analysis?

Your data, your rules. I put my 23andme raw data in github ( https://github.com/sbassi/MiGenomaSbassi ) for the world to see and use without asking anybody in my family.

The point is, it's not just your data. It's shared with other people who may not want it being publicised to all and sundry.
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