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Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by all_blue_chucks »

asenk wrote: post #236
all_blue_chucks wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. They might outlaw brown hair, too. They might outlaw last names with vowels. That hypothetical, imaginary risk doesn't make it sensible to dye your hair and change your name.

Tell the 6 million Jews, hundreds of thousands to million+ Romanis, and hundreds of thousands of disabled who were systematically exterminated by gassing, shootings, starvation and various other means that being outlawed is a "hypothetical risk". Even beyond WW2 to say what you said is so incredibly against any form of historical understanding that one must start to wonder what your motive with it is.

Your motive appears to be to troll from a position of ignorance. No, DNA tests do not cause holocausts.

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by all_blue_chucks »

kazagistar wrote: post #169
all_blue_chucks wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I share that information when it benefits me. That's the basis of ACH. Next?

Specific pornographic preferences and fetishes? Nothing illegal there, no reason to hide.

What is the advantage of sharing that information?

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by all_blue_chucks »

kzrdude wrote: post #310
all_blue_chucks wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an interesting point, but if your government becomes blatantly oppressive they don't need DNA to do it.

The resistance movement in Norway, during WWii, targeted and blew up the citizen registry, because it was used for evil. Any database we build now could be used like that. Now they are easily copied, so we won't be able to blow them up when it's already too late--we must avoid building them.

Do you think it was a mistake for countries to continue compiling databases of citizens after WWII? Census? Phone books? These are all mistakes?

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by mleonhard »

jacquesm wrote: post #199

And half the DNA of all of the siblings and parents of the people that submitted their DNA, a quarter of their grandparents and grandchildren and so on. That's what I really hate about these companies, they get people to submit their DNA and the customers do not realize it isn't a decision that affects just them.

Bringing criminals to justice is a positive outcome.

Negative outcomes include:

1. Racist people persecuting people based on their ancestry, as determined from DNA data.

1. Police performing incorrect DNA database searches and falsely accusing people of crimes. Example: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/a-father-took-an-at-home-d...

1. Police misconstruing DNA evidence and falsely accusing people of crimes. For example, a person's DNA can appear at a crime scene if they rode in a Lyft before a perpetrator.

1. Criminals extorting parents of sperm-donor children: Pay us or we'll reveal to your kids that he's not their dad.

1. Criminals extorting unfaithful parents: Pay us or we'll tell him that the kid isn't his. Pay us or we'll tell her about the child born from your affair. Pay us or we'll tell your religious group about your child born not to your spouse.

1. Criminals extorting people about their expected health outcomes: Pay us or we'll tell the shareholders about your 50% chance of getting disease X in the next 5 years. Pay us or we'll tell her that you're likely infertile. Pay us or we'll tell your kid that they will probably die by age 30.

1. Criminals extorting folks who have changed their identities: asylees, stalking victims, protected witnesses, etc.

1. Oppressive governments persecuting relatives of escaped asylees: Your brother who disappeared actually went to country X. We can't punish him so we're punishing you.

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by jacquesm »

mleonhard wrote: post #404
jacquesm wrote: post #199

And half the DNA of all of the siblings and parents of the people that submitted their DNA, a quarter of their grandparents and grandchildren and so on. That's what I really hate about these companies, they get people to submit their DNA and the customers do not realize it isn't a decision that affects just them.

Bringing criminals to justice is a positive outcome. Negative outcomes include: 1. Racist people persecuting people based on their ancestry, as determined from DNA data. 1. Police performing incorrect DNA database searches and falsely accusing people of crimes. Example: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/a-father-took-an-at-home-d... 1. Police misconstruing DNA evidence and falsely accusing people of crimes. For examp…

That's an argument from utility, which is not how you should approach matters of ethics.

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by thephyber »

risyachka wrote: post #170
thephyber wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there is no risk to you. There is always risk. You probably don't see it yet just like only privacy-forward folks thought Facebook's encouragement to "share everything" publicly (circa 2007) foresaw the problems that would commit 10+ years later. The small benefit of closure to a stranger who has already dealt with the grief of loss is not worth it for me. It depends on your personal value system. > It has been ill…

Exactly because there is always risk, when it is small - people say there is no risk. Lots of things can happen and could have happened but never did.

> Exactly because there is always risk, when it is small - people say there is no risk.

This is analogous to the definition of "literally". It was misused so much that a new second definition for the word is close to the opposite of the original definition.

It's still worth mentioning the nuance at least occasionally.

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by perl4ever »

evilsetg wrote: post #198
perl4ever wrote: post #128

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I feel like taking offense at this is not worth it. If they sincerely believe they are saving souls, and you don't, then it shouldn't mean anything to you. Baptizing the dead seems silly and quaint, but Christians used to ask, how is it fair to send the unbaptized to hell that never had a chance to be saved? Mormons should get some credit for acknowledging the unfairness and coming up with a "solution". I think it's…

I grew up with evangelical christian teaching (one of the 2 big christian Churches in northern Germany) and as far as I understood in their version nobody goes to hell.

I don't know, I'm neither a Christian nor a theological expert, but I was thinking of these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_Baptist_Universalist

...who are described as taking Calvinism to its logical conclusion.

It says "Bill Leonard estimated in 2011 that there were 1,000 or fewer PBU adherents in total, concentrated in 20 counties in Appalachia"

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by mleonhard »

jacquesm wrote: post #405
mleonhard wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bringing criminals to justice is a positive outcome. Negative outcomes include: 1. Racist people persecuting people based on their ancestry, as determined from DNA data. 1. Police performing incorrect DNA database searches and falsely accusing people of crimes. Example: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/a-father-took-an-at-home-d... 1. Police misconstruing DNA evidence and falsely accusing people of crimes. For examp…

That's an argument from utility, which is not how you should approach matters of ethics.

Your comment is instructive. Would you care to expound?

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by isbvhodnvemrwvn »

mellosouls wrote: post #340
sbassi wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your data, your rules. I put my 23andme raw data in github ( https://github.com/sbassi/MiGenomaSbassi ) for the world to see and use without asking anybody in my family.

The point is, it's not just your data. It's shared with other people who may not want it being publicised to all and sundry.

That's ridiculous. Should I not use my surname because I identify my parents, my brothers and some of my cousins? I think bodily autonomy applies here.

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by isbvhodnvemrwvn »

hpoe wrote: post #378
markdown wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought myheritage was owned by the Mormons.

Nope, you're thinking of Family Search that is owned and operated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

And possibly Ancestry.com, they don't have ties with the church per say, but they do have very strong ties to Utah.
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