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The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by jjoonathan »

trianglem wrote: post #19
jjcon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You replied to my comment but you didn’t even read the bill. Read the amendments, they specifically outline that the scope of this bill will not impact encryption laws (which they added specifically because of all the fear-mongering brought by the companies that stand to lose from this bill).

There is nothing in this bill worth having. What exactly are you supporting here?

The amendment looks legitimately good, unless they're hustling it to an inappropriately small scope or intend to drop it at the lest second. Both are time honored legislative traditions, of course.

    “(7) CYBERSECURITY PROTECTIONS DO NOT GIVE RISE TO LIABILITY.—Notwithstanding
    “(paragraph (6), a provider of an interactive computer service shall not be
    “(deemed to be in violation of section 2252 or 2252A of title 18, United States
    “(Code, for the purposes of subparagraph (A) of such paragraph (6), and shall
    “(not otherwise be subject to any charge in a criminal prosecution under State
    “(law under subparagraph (B) of such paragraph (6), or any claim in a civil
    “(action under State law under subparagraph (C) of such paragraph (6), because
    “(the provider—
    
    “(A) utilizes full end-to-end encrypted messaging services, device encryption,
    “(or other encryption services;
    
    “(B) does not possess the information necessary to decrypt a communication; or
    
    “(C) fails to take an action that would otherwise undermine the ability of the
    “(provider to offer full end-to-end encrypted messaging services, device
    “(encryption, or other encryption services.”.

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by emidln »

jjcon wrote: post #7

Just please go read the latest versions of the bill people https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/339... A ton of companies stand to lose by this bill so it may be wise to adopt some skepticism towards all the doom and gloom. This bill is ever evolving and they have been closing the gaps people were worried about re encryption(and now there are complaints about new issues). Are there holes that coul…

The current version establishes a commission of 19 people which are composed of various interests. Of those interests 2 of are civil liberties experts and 2 of which are computer science or cryptography experts. 14 members are required to pass resolutions. So the cryptographers and civil liberties people can just be ignored by the prosecutors and entrenched corporate representatives.

No thanks. This is just as open-ended in the downside as before.

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by thephyber »

jjcon wrote: post #7

Just please go read the latest versions of the bill people https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/339... A ton of companies stand to lose by this bill so it may be wise to adopt some skepticism towards all the doom and gloom. This bill is ever evolving and they have been closing the gaps people were worried about re encryption(and now there are complaints about new issues). Are there holes that coul…

If the bill still claims to be about "child online exploitation", that's plenty reason to be skeptical. "Think of the children" is a powerful weapon because it's easy for the sponsors to politically assassinate anyone who votes against it. Source: I worked for a company that used that argument when lobbying.

I know enough about myself to know I'm not qualified to represent myself in court and I'm not qualified to read the text of a bill and pretend like I understand it.

I trust the EFF[1] to represent my values.

[1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/07/new-earn-it-bill-still...

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by deathanatos »

jjcon wrote: post #15
jjoonathan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did, last time I RTFB. I do not consider your summaries to be made in good faith. This might just make me angry enough to burn another perfectly good evening on it. We'll see.

Read the goddamn bill, it’s pretty short.

This 112 page bill? https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/339...

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by thephyber »

ericd wrote: post #6
lowmemcpu wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glad you posted this but... This is one of those multi-day, multi-faceted topics that need us to have many conversations until it's stopped. Recall the SOPA & PIPA protests of last decade: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA There were more than a few discussions here

Requiring everyone to discuss this every few years seems like a surefire strategy to exhaust people. It normalizes the idea, if nothing else. So the question is how do we get it so that supporting ending effective encryption is a political third rail that ends political careers? Because that seems like the only way to get this to stop coming up until it eventually passes. Feinstein seems to be a perpetual supporter o…

> But she keeps getting voted in by CA of all places.

Never underestimate the power of the national party to protect seniority by supporting those campaigns. Seniority brings with it more power on committees.

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by skipants »

deathanatos wrote: post #25
jjcon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read the goddamn bill, it’s pretty short.

This 112 page bill? https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/339...

It's not really 112 pages. It looks like it's struck-through until the end of page 65. And it's in 16pt font. The toughest part is getting through the legalese.

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by Nasrudith »

theferalrobot wrote: post #17
yarrel wrote: post #12

"...the newly amended version of the bill essentially gives state lawmakers the ability to regulate the internet, according to Joe Mullin, a policy analyst with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, who broke down the censorship risks posed by the measure should it become law. "All 50 states will be able to write new Internet rules that online platforms and websites will have to follow,""

I’m 99% sure that that is already the case (and has been).

It is a matter of enforcibility. Alabama can try to ban say women with exposed ankles and you as an operator of a website in California can tell the DA in a notorized letter to go fuck themselves because they lack jurisdiction.

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by Nasrudith »

jjcon wrote: post #7

Just please go read the latest versions of the bill people https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/339... A ton of companies stand to lose by this bill so it may be wise to adopt some skepticism towards all the doom and gloom. This bill is ever evolving and they have been closing the gaps people were worried about re encryption(and now there are complaints about new issues). Are there holes that coul…

It "evolving" isn't a reason to let down your guard, it is more reason to hammer a stake in the bastard's heart before it becomes something even worse. There is nothing good about it.

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by anonbcpolitics »

thephyber wrote: post #24
jjcon wrote: post #7

Just please go read the latest versions of the bill people https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/339... A ton of companies stand to lose by this bill so it may be wise to adopt some skepticism towards all the doom and gloom. This bill is ever evolving and they have been closing the gaps people were worried about re encryption(and now there are complaints about new issues). Are there holes that coul…

If the bill still claims to be about "child online exploitation", that's plenty reason to be skeptical. "Think of the children" is a powerful weapon because it's easy for the sponsors to politically assassinate anyone who votes against it. Source: I worked for a company that used that argument when lobbying. I know enough about myself to know I'm not qualified to represent myself in court and I'm not qualified to rea…

You don't need to be a lawyer to read this bill, it's pretty short and clear.

Even if you don't understand all of it, it's good to read the source so you know you're not getting cherry-picked information.

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