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The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by jjoonathan »

jjcon wrote: post #7

Just please go read the latest versions of the bill people https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/339... A ton of companies stand to lose by this bill so it may be wise to adopt some skepticism towards all the doom and gloom. This bill is ever evolving and they have been closing the gaps people were worried about re encryption(and now there are complaints about new issues). Are there holes that coul…

Do they still want to make a skeleton key for the internet and entrust it to the same people who couldn't protect the database containing secrets from their own background checks and who argue with a straight face that xkeyscore didn't count as a search under the 4th Amendment?

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by yarrel »

"...the newly amended version of the bill essentially gives state lawmakers the ability to regulate the internet, according to Joe Mullin, a policy analyst with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, who broke down the censorship risks posed by the measure should it become law.

"All 50 states will be able to write new Internet rules that online platforms and websites will have to follow,""

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by jjcon »

jjoonathan wrote: post #11
jjcon wrote: post #7

Just please go read the latest versions of the bill people https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/339... A ton of companies stand to lose by this bill so it may be wise to adopt some skepticism towards all the doom and gloom. This bill is ever evolving and they have been closing the gaps people were worried about re encryption(and now there are complaints about new issues). Are there holes that coul…

Do they still want to make a skeleton key for the internet and entrust it to the same people who couldn't protect the database containing secrets from their own background checks and who argue with a straight face that xkeyscore didn't count as a search under the 4th Amendment?

> Do they still want to make a skeleton key for the internet

No, this bill never did that and the updates make it explicit that it will not do this. Read the bill.

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by jjoonathan »

jjcon wrote: post #13
jjoonathan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they still want to make a skeleton key for the internet and entrust it to the same people who couldn't protect the database containing secrets from their own background checks and who argue with a straight face that xkeyscore didn't count as a search under the 4th Amendment?

> Do they still want to make a skeleton key for the internet No, this bill never did that and the updates make it explicit that it will not do this. Read the bill.

They did, last time I RTFB. I do not consider your summaries to be made in good faith.

This might just make me angry enough to burn another perfectly good evening on it. We'll see.

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by jjcon »

jjoonathan wrote: post #14
jjcon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do they still want to make a skeleton key for the internet No, this bill never did that and the updates make it explicit that it will not do this. Read the bill.

They did, last time I RTFB. I do not consider your summaries to be made in good faith. This might just make me angry enough to burn another perfectly good evening on it. We'll see.

Read the goddamn bill, it’s pretty short.

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by jjoonathan »

jjcon wrote: post #15
jjoonathan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did, last time I RTFB. I do not consider your summaries to be made in good faith. This might just make me angry enough to burn another perfectly good evening on it. We'll see.

Read the goddamn bill, it’s pretty short.

By congressional standards, and at a given point of time.

It's not short when measured by the time required to keep up with it.

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by theferalrobot »

yarrel wrote: post #12

"...the newly amended version of the bill essentially gives state lawmakers the ability to regulate the internet, according to Joe Mullin, a policy analyst with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, who broke down the censorship risks posed by the measure should it become law. "All 50 states will be able to write new Internet rules that online platforms and websites will have to follow,""

I’m 99% sure that that is already the case (and has been).

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by jjoonathan »

jjcon wrote: post #10
blitmap wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it has any chance of passing, it could very much cripple the tech sector in the US and make us less competitive. On the other side of the coin, this is not going to stop individuals from using encryption that isn't broken. It would be ugly to see what it does in commercial spaces, and to your average citizen whose data is less protected. I think it would force a knowledgeable subcommunity further into the shadows…

You replied to my comment but you didn’t even read the bill. Read the amendments, they specifically outline that the scope of this bill will not impact encryption laws (which they added specifically because of all the fear-mongering brought by the companies that stand to lose from this bill).

I have to admit, I like the look of that amendment.

That said, I also liked the look of the part in the ACA where Medicare Part D would be allowed to bargain for drug prices. Pity it wound up on the cutting room floor while I wasn't watching. I wonder how that happened?

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by trianglem »

jjcon wrote: post #10
blitmap wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it has any chance of passing, it could very much cripple the tech sector in the US and make us less competitive. On the other side of the coin, this is not going to stop individuals from using encryption that isn't broken. It would be ugly to see what it does in commercial spaces, and to your average citizen whose data is less protected. I think it would force a knowledgeable subcommunity further into the shadows…

You replied to my comment but you didn’t even read the bill. Read the amendments, they specifically outline that the scope of this bill will not impact encryption laws (which they added specifically because of all the fear-mongering brought by the companies that stand to lose from this bill).

There is nothing in this bill worth having. What exactly are you supporting here?

Re: The anti-privacy EARN IT Act could change the internet as we know it

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Post by mtgx »

jjcon wrote: post #7

Just please go read the latest versions of the bill people https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/339... A ton of companies stand to lose by this bill so it may be wise to adopt some skepticism towards all the doom and gloom. This bill is ever evolving and they have been closing the gaps people were worried about re encryption(and now there are complaints about new issues). Are there holes that coul…

> nearly as draconian

And you say this is a good thing? That it's only slightly draconian now? Why would we allow them to move the goalposts at all? Especially when they always seem to move in the direction of more mass surveillance and less privacy?

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