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Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by jacquesm »

js2 wrote: post #24
hangonhn wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just out of curiosity, is there a reason for Mormons to especially care about their genealogy?

> One of the core tenets of Mormon faith is that the dead can be baptized into the faith after their passing. Baptism of the dead evolved from the beliefs that baptism is necessary for salvation and that the family unit can continue to exist together beyond mortal life if all members are baptized. > Mormons trace their family trees to find the names of ancestors who died without learning about the restored Mormon Gos…

That's such an incredibly rude and conceited practice.

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by slg »

crumpled wrote: post #182
slg wrote: post #141

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There are a couple problems with this line of thinking. First, a lack of known cases doesn't mean that this is necessarily hard to detect or that it isn't being prosecuted. It might also simply not be happening. That seems to be the most likely scenario given how hard it currently would be to secretly acquire and use this genetic data. Also you don't need to have a massive amount of HIPAA protected data to be publicl…

If the data is managed by a company that isn't in the healthcare industry, HIPPA doesn't apply. An insurance company, even a health insurance company can purchase non healthcare data from an analytics company. It wasn't HIPPA protected when it was on my heritage, and it won't be healthcare data when it's eventually leaked and resold. If you don't think legitimate companies are interested in buying that data, look aro…

I never mentioned HIPAA in the context you are implying. I was simply saying it won't protect the malicious actors from being discovered.

> look around at the market for our password breach and identity theft data. There's a brisk, legal trade.

If it is so easy to acquire this data legally, do you want to point to a business from which one can legally purchase "identity theft data"?

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by Krasnol »

mirimir wrote: post #126
pickledcods wrote: post #115

This is the same level as having a breach of biometric data. With password/payment/location breaches you have the ability to change what you entered as to invalidate/outdate the data which was stored. Having your biometric/genome authentication data stolen or made public will be a nightmare.

No, not really. There's no practical way to protect our genomes in meatspace. We're constantly shedding DNA into the environment. Hair, skin, saliva, etc. For example, an adversary can just tail us to a coffee shop or restaurant, and take a utensil or straw or napkin that we've used. And then submit the sample using a fake name, as investigators often do. Edit: Those are excellent comments about scale. But generally,…

It could become very interesting for a fascist state.

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by baby »

One thing I’m thinking about: this is probably an inevitable future. That we like it or not technology is going to be more and more intrusive. If not our generation, the next one, or the one after.

We’ve seen that short-sighted laws have caused more harm than good on the long-term. Like the war on drugs.

Knowing this, is there a future where we can lose privacy but still live a good life? And what can we do to get there?

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

Thorrez wrote: post #189
perl4ever wrote: post #128

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I feel like taking offense at this is not worth it. If they sincerely believe they are saving souls, and you don't, then it shouldn't mean anything to you. Baptizing the dead seems silly and quaint, but Christians used to ask, how is it fair to send the unbaptized to hell that never had a chance to be saved? Mormons should get some credit for acknowledging the unfairness and coming up with a "solution". I think it's…

>I think it's a sad commentary on human nature that the Christian sects that don't believe anyone goes to hell at all are even more fringe and taken less seriously than Mormons. One reason they might not be taken seriously is that in the Bible Jesus directly talks about people being in Hell.

>the Bible Jesus directly talks about people being in Hell.

Jesus talked about people being in Gehenna (burning trash dump outside Jerusalem), Hades (Limbo or Paradise, Sheol in Hebrew) and I think Tartarus (deep pit). Tartarus may be OT only, I can't recall ATM.

All those terms, each with it's own intent and meaning, were later rolled into Hell (which received a new meaning, one different from any of the original terms). This was eventually codified during one of the Ecumenical councils (1st council of Nicea?)

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by mirimir »

ComodoHacker wrote: post #190
clusterfish wrote: post #133

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But you can't do that to a million people, only to individual targets. Economic scale matters in a lot of evil plots.

Just wait until these fancy "smart" coffee cups with built-in nano-labs become ubiquitous.

Before that happens, I'm guessing that full DNA sequencing at birth will be a legal requirement. Like footprints are now.

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Post by hobofan »

mirimir wrote: post #186
hobofan wrote: post #185

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There are some caveats with that though (some of which I just found out after some digging): - You'll probably need more than one flow cell (which is used up during sequencing) for a human genome - The flow cells make up the bulk of the price, costing ~$800 in single unit quantities - You have to send in used flow cells for refurbishing (which is how they can make them as cheap) So the $1000 is more or less already t…

I wonder how fast the flow cell price will drop. But even at $1000 I might be tempted, except that I'm so damn old, and never (as far as I know) had any kids.

While it mostly comes out to the same, I doubt the price will drop much, but rather they will release a newer iteration of flow cells with slower degradation or more redundancy.

There also doesn't seem to be any significant competition, as Oxford Nanopore has a very broad patent portfolio surrounding their tech.

Re: Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a major genealogy database

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

throwawayForMe2 wrote: post #23
markdown wrote: post #12

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I thought myheritage was owned by the Mormons.

FamilySearch is the Mormon site.

Adding that FamilySearch hasn't joined the other genealogy sites in their DNA Addictions.

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MyHeritage has clearly lost their way. They've all but abandoned their research role (their once-excellent post 1940 records are nearly unsearchable now) to one obsessed with DNA & image gimmickry.

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Post by [deleted] »

baby wrote: post #204

One thing I’m thinking about: this is probably an inevitable future. That we like it or not technology is going to be more and more intrusive. If not our generation, the next one, or the one after. We’ve seen that short-sighted laws have caused more harm than good on the long-term. Like the war on drugs. Knowing this, is there a future where we can lose privacy but still live a good life? And what can we do to get th…

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