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Re: The trauma of Facebook’s content moderators

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> It is just that there are small pockets of people who are psychologically capable of tolerating this or even enjoy it. I wouldn't assume "watches this stuff" and "is psychologically capable of tolerating this stuff" are one and the same. Those people might be actively harming themselves by watching the content. That's one thing when they're volunteering to do so (though that's an interesting conversation in and of…

I think the best counter to becoming desensitized or depressed is having an over arching sense of mission and identifying your work with a cause for good that is greater than yourself. take ER doctors. they daily witness human trauma far worse than viewing horror show videos and images. do you ever hear about ER docs who become depressed or mentally ill from being exposed to so much horrific human suffering? Doctors…

Quick googling yields this - https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20180508/doctors-su...

It's not specifically about ER doctors. Anecdotally, I'm a lawyer, and they warned us in law school that lawyers have abnormally high rates of substance abuse and depression, and constant jokes to the contrary not withstanding, most lawyers believe they do good. Emotionally hard jobs are hard, even if they are indisputably good.

Re: The trauma of Facebook’s content moderators

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They should recruit people on Reddit for this. A large number of them seem perfectly fine with this type of content. There are dedicated communities to all these things. I do not mean this as a hit against Reddit users. It is just that there are small pockets of people who are psychologically capable of tolerating this or even enjoy it. It seems more ethical to hire people from /r/watchpeopledie.

There are not hordes of people on Reddit watching intensely disturbing child pornography. The gore stuff maybe (although r/wpd was banned), but still I think any normal person, even the person who was occasionally on r/wpd, would be extremely traumatized by watching anything involving children. Which to be honest is probably a lot of the content discussed here, as sick as it is.

Re: The trauma of Facebook’s content moderators

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It's probably a bit controversial to say this, but haven't large sites had to deal with these problems for years by the time the likes of Facebook/Twitter/YouTube/Instagram/whatever came around? It's obviously horrible doing this as a job and it's obviously a bit more common on Facebook than say, a large old school internet forum, but... at least in this case people are paid to do this. Reddit mods and old school for…

>at least in this case people are paid to do this. I've done commercial moderation before and I would sooner go jobless than go back to exposing myself to the kinds of things people have to when doing this professionally. It's the kind of things you wish there was a brain cleaning solution for, but there isn't so it's stuck there basically forever (though I suspect the alcoholism rate is higher among people who have…

I wonder if showing a video/gif from reddit.com/r/eyebleach between viewings of disturbing content could reduce the toll it takes.

It sounds too simple to work, but worth a shot.

Re: The trauma of Facebook’s content moderators

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They should recruit people on Reddit for this. A large number of them seem perfectly fine with this type of content. There are dedicated communities to all these things. I do not mean this as a hit against Reddit users. It is just that there are small pockets of people who are psychologically capable of tolerating this or even enjoy it. It seems more ethical to hire people from /r/watchpeopledie.

They might be too young for the office...

Re: The trauma of Facebook’s content moderators

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They should recruit people on Reddit for this. A large number of them seem perfectly fine with this type of content. There are dedicated communities to all these things. I do not mean this as a hit against Reddit users. It is just that there are small pockets of people who are psychologically capable of tolerating this or even enjoy it. It seems more ethical to hire people from /r/watchpeopledie.

I was thinking more of 4chan moderators.

Re: The trauma of Facebook’s content moderators

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Only a human should be able to decide what other humans can and cannot see. A future where computers are responsible for "deciding" what information we consume about the world is not one I want to live in. Computers are already being used as tools of censorship, we don't need it to be expanded further.

Re: The trauma of Facebook’s content moderators

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They should recruit people on Reddit for this. A large number of them seem perfectly fine with this type of content. There are dedicated communities to all these things. I do not mean this as a hit against Reddit users. It is just that there are small pockets of people who are psychologically capable of tolerating this or even enjoy it. It seems more ethical to hire people from /r/watchpeopledie.

There are not hordes of people on Reddit watching intensely disturbing child pornography. The gore stuff maybe (although r/wpd was banned), but still I think any normal person, even the person who was occasionally on r/wpd, would be extremely traumatized by watching anything involving children. Which to be honest is probably a lot of the content discussed here, as sick as it is.

You want the subscribers to r/wpd. The people who mod it or those who come and visit everyday.

The entire point of this is to find those who deviate enough from normal to not be as impacted.

Re: The trauma of Facebook’s content moderators

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Size is not the determining factor. It's a single factor that highly influences the value in posting damaging content. It's clear from the rise of influencers on YT, IG, Twitter, etc -- as well as the prolific use of these platforms by terrorists and other malefactors -- that being able to reach many people with a single post is a significant driver of people to post content. My concern is not primarily with the outs…

> My concern is not primarily with the outsourcing of moderation, but with the type of moderation that is required. But the problem doesn't go away when you shrink the size of the social media site. The same people will still try to post disturbing content. In fact, you're giving them more places to post that content, so potentially more people will have to moderate it. > There are ways to limit the kind of content t…

> But the problem doesn't go away when you shrink the size of the social media site. The same people will still try to post disturbing content. In fact, you're giving them more places to post that content, so potentially more people will have to moderate it.

I’m not sure I follow. A site like Facebook already has mechanisms for detecting multiple accounts, and in any case, multiple accounts don’t mean that there are more “places” to post. It’s still Facebook.

I don’t propose breaking Facebook into smaller websites. I propose limiting the reach of a single individual on those sites. Basically, normalizing the localness of social media to be more meaningful.

As well, I think Facebook and other platforms need to reckon with the consent when it comes to posting images of people, in general. That’s why I suggested limiting the posts to only those of friends who consent.

I agree that no one wants this.

Re: The trauma of Facebook’s content moderators

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They should recruit people on Reddit for this. A large number of them seem perfectly fine with this type of content. There are dedicated communities to all these things. I do not mean this as a hit against Reddit users. It is just that there are small pockets of people who are psychologically capable of tolerating this or even enjoy it. It seems more ethical to hire people from /r/watchpeopledie.

But are people like that people you want as your co-workers? Serious question, I don't mean this facetiously. I think is an extremely complex question and I wonder if introducing someone who is openly comfortable with gore is dangerous to the psychological health of the company. For example, at a previous company a co-worker publicly shared, without a trigger warning and in great detail, a very gorey thing he enjoyed…

Would they need to be co-workers beyond corporate title? Content moderation is sitting at a desk clicking through things for hours a day.
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