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‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

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Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

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My take on "strong opinions, weakly held:" It's about combating your own confirmation bias by being willing to do the work of re-examining your conclusions in the light of new evidence. It's hard to do b/c we get emotionally invested, and also because once you make a conclusion an assumption, it becomes implicit & fades into the background -- so it's harder to question. On the flip side, it's also about trusting your…

Honestly I DON'T trust my own reasoning. I can do this adversarial process as described in this article on my own, but that's incomplete. People outside of me have information and ways to view things that I don't. Others work as a discriminator and you update your opinions and views as more information comes in and challenges your own ideas. But it is because I don't trust my own reasoning that I read textbooks, seek…

So, you are describing exactly the idea.

It is to trust your own reasoning, not information or ideas. Reasoning is a process.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#132

> this is not how the human brain works To some extent, to succeed in the modern world, you have to override your instincts with a thought-out response to things. Whatever heuristics we've built up over thousands of years are interesting, but some of them don't apply anymore. (If you were a prehistoric human and you encountered a beehive, you'd eat all the honey. But now you can get hundreds of beehives worth of hone…

Bee Facts: You don't get hundreds of beehives worth of honey from a trip to the store. Hives typically produce multiple liters in a single summer. Last summer, our Hive made around 3 liters and there was enough for all the family to have their own jar. Many apiarists have multiple hives and a group of 10 hives could fill the grocery's honey section in September.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#133
> it is quite difficult for the human mind to vacillate between one strong opinion to another.

For the specific subset of people in tech, I don't believe this is true. How many times have you and someone else had a strong disagreement about the cause of a bug or design of a system, conclusively determined that one answer is correct, and then had the other person come back (usually after a small delay) acting as though they'd agreed with you all along? I've been seeing this for over thirty years. Half the time, the other person even tries to claim they came up with the idea on their own and everyone else was slow to pick it up. Same thing is frequently evident right here. It's easy for some people to switch from one strong opinion to another, and the popularity of "strong opinions weakly held" makes it even easier.

I also think that SOWH is behind a lot of cargo culting and conspiracy theories. People want to get credit for being the champion of an idea, even if they don't fully understand it or it has low odds of being correct, and the appeal increases with the challenge of convincing others. After all, if they're wrong they can just switch sides and claim they'd been on the right side all along. If they're right, it's an epic victory (in their own minds at least).

Strength of belief is not inherently virtuous. It should be proportional to strength of evidence, not armor worn for the sake of a silly maxim. Strong belief in SOWH itself is an example of faith over empiricism.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#134

> it is quite difficult for the human mind to vacillate between one strong opinion to another. For the specific subset of people in tech, I don't believe this is true. How many times have you and someone else had a strong disagreement about the cause of a bug or design of a system, conclusively determined that one answer is correct, and then had the other person come back (usually after a small delay) acting as thoug…

The difficult thing is to change opinion to which you attached your identity.

Switching Python to eg. Node is easy as long as I don't see myself as "the Python guy".

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#135

> it is quite difficult for the human mind to vacillate between one strong opinion to another. For the specific subset of people in tech, I don't believe this is true. How many times have you and someone else had a strong disagreement about the cause of a bug or design of a system, conclusively determined that one answer is correct, and then had the other person come back (usually after a small delay) acting as thoug…

> strong disagreement about the cause of a bug

That sounds more like a hypothesis than an opinion.

In the less testable world of opinions (over, say, business strategy) it isn't always possible to settle things by experiment, making it more difficult to let those opinions go.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#136

> it is quite difficult for the human mind to vacillate between one strong opinion to another. For the specific subset of people in tech, I don't believe this is true. How many times have you and someone else had a strong disagreement about the cause of a bug or design of a system, conclusively determined that one answer is correct, and then had the other person come back (usually after a small delay) acting as thoug…

"How many times have you and someone else had a strong disagreement about the cause of a bug or design of a system, conclusively determined that one answer is correct, and then had the other person come back (usually after a small delay) acting as though they'd agreed with you all along?"

I think, never? I'm sure there are people that do that, because there are people that do everything.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#137
I feel like a lot of these types of adages come back to try to convince humans to do one thing: Be Wrong.

And I don't mean, deliberately make incorrect decisions, I mean, allow yourself to have made a mistake.

Some people get the reputation that they act like they know everything. You can even see some of those accusations creep up in various threads on this topic.

There are two major types of people who get that reputation. People who will never admit they're wrong and people who will admit they're wrong so fast, you don't even notice they've changed their stance.

The first type of people think the second type is just doing what they're doing. But no, the second type is more than willing to be wrong. They know that it's going to happen. It goes back to Socrates, knowing you know nothing. Accepting that your knowledge is incomplete. There are no stakes for being wrong if you don't put them up. The second type are also the type to not worry about laying blame about who is wrong. They just want to correct the mistake.

Be more concerned about what is wrong rather than who is wrong.

Re: ‘Strong Opinions, Weakly Held’ Doesn't Work That Well

#139

I do this on Hackernews sometimes. I just state my opinion, however weakly held, and wait for it to be torn apart, where I learn a lot, and all my biases are revealed to me. That's how learning works: you challenge your own assumptions, or let your assumptions to be challenged by others.

> wait for it to be torn apart, where I learn a lot

That's probably fine somewhere like HN, but I'd warn people against doing it too much IRL. I have an ex-friend who liked to play the "you just need to" game as a primary learning technique. I say ex-friend because I got tired of the initial implication that his few minutes' of thought could overturn lessons it might have taken me years to learn, until I did the labor of educating him. Maybe some of that was a "me thing" except that he has several other ex-friends for the same reason. I have other still-friends who are a bit less extreme about it, but it's generally not a relationship-positive behavior.

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