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Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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Post by toyg »

easytiger wrote: post #186
toyg wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have kids and live in an area where the class divisions are pretty stark. Italy has many problems, but at least they don’t enforce classism (and religious separation, which inevitably becomes ethnic division too) from primary-school age. As for media, UK tabloids are beyond the pale. Nowhere on the continent I’ve ever seen a situation where most of the population is bombarded every day by outright racism and hate.…

> I have kids and live in an area where the class divisions are pretty stark How do you mean? I was asking for an illustration of the "class system" that you find oppressing to your person. > most of the population is bombarded every day by outright racism and hate. Well that's not true is it. > The British upper classes make a joke of it What might be considered Victorian upper class constitutes practically no one.…

Lol, if your best rebuttal is “no it isn’t, you idiot”, you risk making my point for me. The fact remains that UK tabloids are pretty shocking for anyone who was not grown inside the bubble. When even forums like Reddit consider links to Uk tabloids as “very low quality sources”, the situation is clearly dire. Deny it as much as you want, it’s still there for everyone else to see. But I understand that this sort of thing is difficult to accept, if it’s been normalized since birth, in the same way NorthKorean citizens find it normal to have a communist king or most Americans were really convinced Saddam had WMDs. Propaganda is really difficult to shake off, when it reaches a certain volume.

As for the landscape of classism in the UK, tbh, it is not that hard to elaborate. Of course we are not talking in Victorian terms, modern classism has its own conventions. The facts are, still, that most top jobs go to graduates from top universities, whose alumni are drafted overwhelmingly from certain (expensive) schools, whose pupils are put “on rails” at the tender age of 4 by parents with deep pockets. See for example this source, but the situation is very well-known: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/oxford-unive... Note that i’m not talking in absolutes, this is actually something that affects me: I know my kids will struggle to ever reach any pinnacle, if they stay here, simply because I cannot afford to put them through the “right” schools.

This system has its upsides (the upper classes are really well-educated, as our classicist PM demonstrates) but it is undeniably a drag on social mobility: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48103017i

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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Post by toyg »

rtempaccount1 wrote: post #151
rwmj wrote: post #131

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As is often the case with Brexit the real explanation for inexplicable actions of the current government is all about internal Tory party management. I read this article a while back which explains it quite well: https://nicktyrone.com/why-i-believe-the-boris-johnson-gover...

Very interesting article, if a bit worrying for the UK's economy in the short/medium term. I think it could well be right that they're hoping for the (likely impossible) blink from the EU, but between that, the heavy political toll a US trade deal would require (it would have a big impact on the UK farming community+possibly other areas) and the expanding spat with China, it's really not shaping up to be a good perio…

“Doesn’t matter, I’m in government”

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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Post by dmos62 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #12
m0xte wrote: post #6

I’m in the UK. I can see this is going to mean a huge chunk of products disappearing from amazon here. A lot of stuff I order comes from Europe. So supply chain problems for months here we come! Fun times ahead. And no I didn’t vote for this shit show.

At least now you get to keep those 350 million GBP a week. /s

I love that you felt you had to point out you were being sarcastic.

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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Post by dmos62 »

corty wrote: post #70
d4rti wrote: post #65

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Dan Hannan and a bunch of the other dishonest brexiteers deliberately misled people into thinking they could be.

It is a politician's modus operandi/job to mislead in order to achieve political goals. It would have been the job of the press to point out the problems and the job of the public to form a qualified opinion. Only the politicians did their jobs, unfortunately... (And yes, I'm a cynic)

That's the definition of lying, not politics.

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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Post by fmajid »

rwmj wrote: post #89
dariosalvi78 wrote: post #58

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They confirmed they wanted Brexit in the last elections. They had no excuses when Boris was elected. If that is what people want, that is what people deserve.

That's more a consequence of our terrible electoral system combined with the most incompetent / most poisonous opposition leader ever.

> Who is the greater fool, the fool or the fool who follows him?

Obi-Wan Kenobi

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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Post by dmos62 »

bluehatbrit wrote: post #94
Reason077 wrote: post #29

So stupid! The UK voted to keep Europeans from coming over here and taking our jobs and seducing our women with their sophisticated accents. There was nothing about blocking European goods and European fulfilment centres. Boris Johnson even assured us that it was going to be easy to get a "great deal" on free trade. This is not the Brexit we voted for!!

> Boris Johnson even assured us that it was going to be easy to get a "great deal" on free trade. It's almost as if a Torie politican knowingly lied to win an election! I too am incredibly surprised... /s

I think we're breaking a record for number of sarcastic comments in a thread.

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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Post by sangnoir »

smcl wrote: post #21
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #12

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At least now you get to keep those 350 million GBP a week. /s

I really wish someone bothered to hold his feet to the fire on that one. He just got to chuckle and shrug it off, and the reaction from most seems to be “lol oh that’s our Boris”

Whoever his PR people are did a bang-up job on Social Media /SEO by making him say he likes painting little buses as a hobby. This displaced the previous top results for the search term "Boris Bus" (i.e. the bus with the 350 million GBP lie). It was very "Black Mirror".

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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Post by fmajid »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #60
Reason077 wrote: post #29

So stupid! The UK voted to keep Europeans from coming over here and taking our jobs and seducing our women with their sophisticated accents. There was nothing about blocking European goods and European fulfilment centres. Boris Johnson even assured us that it was going to be easy to get a "great deal" on free trade. This is not the Brexit we voted for!!

>taking our women Don't think you ever had to worry about that. ;)

I disagree. As a French-American married to a Brit, I have to say British women are exceedingly good-looking for the most part.

Re: Amazon’s UK FBA operations will be split from the EU

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Post by rich_sasha »

easytiger wrote: post #188
DanBC wrote: post #187

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Class is still a big thing in the UK: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/mar/25/too-poor-to-p...

I don't think you understand what class is. I'm familiar with the above story and it is beyond nonsense. A communal facility maintained and paid for by some people doesn't necessarily have to be made available to anyone else. If your back garden was in sight of someone living in social housing ought they be able to make use of your property?

Something like 60% of people going to Oxbridge went to private schools, despite 93% attending state schools, and this is after decades of campaigns, outreach, and adjusting entry criteria by school type. And this is new, the fraction from state schools used to be more like 10-20% if that in living memory.

That’s just one example of class.

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