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Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by 6c696e7578 »

grugagag wrote: post #3
BlahGod420 wrote: post #2

Does anyone have more experience with Windows on IoT devices in general? I'm curious about this - it seems like it could be a real game changer in general for IoT. But if it is already available and not actually doing much game changing, I'd be curious to know why.

My opinion: I think it won't catch on as windows is too bloated and doesn't bring much advantage to the table. As a matter of fact i got a RPI just to have a standalone linux box.

> As a matter of fact i got a RPI just to have a standalone linux box.

And that's the beauty of Linux, it runs from mini devices to very very heavy supercomputers. I hope one day Steam will be more prevalent on Linux.

It's about time MS is squeezed out the same way they squeezed Netscape out.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by vardump »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #41

Very cool, although a win10 minipc would probably make far more sense for people who specifically need a tiny windows 10 computer, especially as they basically cost less than what a copy of windows 10 pro costs. (A fully functional fanless atom x5-Z8350, 4GB ram, 64GB flash, Win10 pro x64 Mini-PC will set you back $139. A copy of Windows 10 pro x64 is $168...) And I know, some folks might say "why not a lattepanda?"…

> Sure, you don't get GPIO pins on a minipc, but given that you can just buy a $10 data acquisition module that connects via USB, and that you can talk to using UART... that's hardly a problem?

Bandwidth for USB GPIO: 8 kHz if you're lucky and there are no other devices on the same controller. Bandwidth for the direct GPIO: up to tens of MHz.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by Const-me »

theK wrote: post #62
my123 wrote: post #49

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Broadcom didn't release GPU documentation yet, with only Mesa being available for now. + developing Windows GPU drivers isn't trivial

So it works fine with Linux then, yes? :-P

Yes, on Linux it’s good: https://github.com/const-me/Vrmac/

Even h264 video acceleration is there: https://github.com/Const-me/Vrmac/tree/master/VrmacVideo

Too bad h265 hardware decoder doesn’t yet have a V4L2 driver.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by lostlogin »

SiDevesh wrote: post #38
lostlogin wrote: post #17

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> it seems like it could be a real game changer in general for IoT. Could you explain why Windows could make things better? As I get more IOT things I have gone more and more basic and had great success. I’m not suggesting that flashing ESP32 chips is the way forward for everyone, but it certainly has its merits. If the rough edges could be removed (imperfect flash software, the need for multiple guides, understandin…

You might want to checkout https://prismos.dev Full disclosure: This is a project I built addressing the exact same problems, its open source and currently more focused on building an easy to approach platform for developers and students new to the hardware scene

Thank you.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by skohan »

6c696e7578 wrote: post #78
skohan wrote: post #71

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Yeah I also find this take confusing. The main USP for Windows is that it runs proprietary software which has been captured through vendor lock-in. Even if you are somebody who just likes windows for some reason, I'm not sure what the value-add would be for a machine with no UI

> I'm not sure what the value-add would be for a machine with no UI Educational lock-in. The RPI is a device for learning about computers. MS directly target the classroom at the moment, get people locked in early with online accounts, and then progress that into workplace familiarity. I don't think employers want to spend the money to educate staff on using a Ubuntu-based desktop, even though that has a proven lower…

Yeah I mean I can understand the value to MS but I don't see it for anyone else.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by skohan »

6c696e7578 wrote: post #81
grugagag wrote: post #3

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My opinion: I think it won't catch on as windows is too bloated and doesn't bring much advantage to the table. As a matter of fact i got a RPI just to have a standalone linux box.

> As a matter of fact i got a RPI just to have a standalone linux box. And that's the beauty of Linux, it runs from mini devices to very very heavy supercomputers. I hope one day Steam will be more prevalent on Linux. It's about time MS is squeezed out the same way they squeezed Netscape out.

Proton is an amazing project. I hope it will lead to more Linux Steam users, and consiquently more 1st party support, because I'm sure MS will do everything in their power to make Proton less effective and reliable than it is today over time.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by techntoke »

nix23 wrote: post #72
techntoke wrote: post #68

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Arch running Sway would be awesome

Have Fun ;) Sway works: https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Sway-0.15-Re... Arch too: https://archlinuxarm.org/

I already run Sway on an old laptop. It is faster than my modern Windows gaming PC for most tasks and apps.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by nix23 »

techntoke wrote: post #88
nix23 wrote: post #72

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Have Fun ;) Sway works: https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Sway-0.15-Re... Arch too: https://archlinuxarm.org/

I already run Sway on an old laptop. It is faster than my modern Windows gaming PC for most tasks and apps.

Yes it's definitly snappy'er than X11 but i had some problems with hanging/blank windows last time i use'd it.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

nix23 wrote: post #77
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #76

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>desktop environments like Phosh/Plasma Mobile/Lomri for Raspberry Pi

>desktop environments Well it's a smartphone screen not a desktop, but here you go: https://www.notebookcheck.net/PinePhone-Convergence-Package-... https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/User-Interfaces

Sorry, I meant smartphone interface like Plasma mobile, Phosh, Lomri for Raspberry Pi; Desktop environment terminology as with Linux on desktops could be wrong.

Right now, you can use traditional desktop environment like LXDE/MATE with PostmarketOS on Raspberry Pi but I don't think there's a working smartphone interface for RPi with the projects you've linked[1].

Furthermore, Convergence feature of UBPorts (Ubuntu Touch) via Lomri helps our phone to be used in Desktop Mode. Here is my video demonstrating it[2].

[1]http://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_3

[2]https://twitter.com/heavyinfo/status/1251048583190609920

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