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Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by R0b0t1 »

jmpman wrote: post #64
R0b0t1 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is more evidence to add to the pile pro-2nd people have to never compromise. The last really bad one was police taking guns from people during Katrina. This is probably far worse. There's no way it is legal, and if it somehow is, it is more evidence of how badly out of touch with reality most judges are.

Maybe both sides should be pro 2nd amendment. And pro 1st amendment, and 3rd, 4th, 5th....

I agree, but some people seem to think you can solve systemic economic issues by banning pieces of metal.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

kyleee wrote: post #182
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #97

It's a perfect Kafka trap, by resisting arrest by secret police in unmarked vehicles you can be labeled as a "domestic terrorist" later, justifying the arrest post-hoc. It's especially concerning they have no ID or agency badges, as right wing extremists have been using the protests to dress up like soldiers.

"It's especially concerning they have no ID or agency badges" Do you have source(s) for this claim?

Local LEO told them to identify themselves and they were told to “fuck off”

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

asguy wrote: post #166
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's well known for doxxing, providing kill lists to AtomWaffen. I don't think that behavior is exactly rewarded in the public square.

> providing kill lists to AtomWaffen. .. that's a really serious claim. Do you have any sources?

Sure, during his time at Quillette, he regularly posted the full names of left-wing protestors after being told not to by the individuals. He was caught on video hanging out with a right wing group associated with AtomWaffen planning to commit violence at a local bar. He wasn't reporting at the time, and only started when an anti-facist group showed up.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/journalist-andy-ngo-...

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Post by DuskStar »

Google234 wrote: post #76
LurkersWillLurk wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't about whether or not they get arrested. This is about certain ground rules and principles that the government must always uphold, even against unprincipled opponents. Federal law enforcement officers, dressed in camo gear and without any identifying insignia, arresting and covering the faces of alleged rioters and stuffing them into unmarked vehicles and taking them God-knows-where is absolutely unacceptab…

I have a feel we know where the rioters are being taken after being arrested. This has been going on for more than a month.

Well, the answer seems to be "back to the streets", since the guy in the video everyone seems to have seen was released without charges...

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Post by cwhiz »

alexose wrote: post #125
cwhiz wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read the article and dial back the absurd hyperbole.

I wouldn't call it hyperbole. Men in fatigues, who decline to identify themselves as law enforcement, are grabbing protesters off the streets and putting them in unmarked minivans. There are videos of this. From the article: > On July 12 a peaceful protester was struck in the head with an “impact weapon” and sustained severe injuries, according to the AG’s office. On Thursday, it says, “an unmarked minivan with under…

They’re wearing uniforms, arresting people suspected of crimes, and then releasing them. That is not even remotely similar to “secret police disappearing people.”

Let’s be reasonable and honest about what is going on here.

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Post by eesmith »

Google234 wrote: post #187
eesmith wrote: post #173

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Carpeting is treated with fire retardant. Interior structures are built to fire code. Solid wood is flammable, yes, but difficult to ignite. Treated oak has even been used as a spacecraft re-entry heat shield - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanhui_Shi_Weixing . After the Oklahoma City bombing, federal buildings were made more resistant to terrorist attacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_building…

I’m not sure why you are arguing this. Arson is a horrible crime and the fact that it is being attempted towards fire resistant buildings (according to you at least, I’m not convinced) doesn’t matter. This makes me wonder if you also have a theory about why 9/11 towers couldn’t have fallen on their own...

Arson is so horrible that it's worth sending in the DHS to override the local police?

No.

Emphasizing "flammability" is an unbalanced view which omits the ignition requirement which is part of Kednicma's "how oxidize building".

My theory on 9/11 is that the fire code kept the buildings standing until the heat from the unplanned-for fuel load caused the structural support metal to soften and weaken, leading to the collapse. Checking now, it's close to what Wikipedia describes.

Can you tell me why your question is at all relevant? Is your theory that firing firework mortars at this federal courthouse is so far out of code expectations that a special response is needed? If so, isn't that a huge flaw in the current system put in place after the OKC bombing?

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by cameldrv »

aerovistae wrote: post #58
nickysielicki wrote: post #40

If you’re looking to hear the other (pro-police) side of the story, I’d recommend checking out this video by YouTuber “Donut Operator”. He’s a former LEO and he makes pretty fair videos doing breakdowns of officer involved shootings and whether they were justifiable or not. He did some commentary on videos coming out of Portland. https://youtu.be/5EgMijMhS_U

There is no "other side" for unidentified officers in unmarked cars with no accountability. There's no justifying that. This problem could be dealt with by forces who identify themselves and can be held responsible for violations. Do you have some videos explaining the "other side" for the SS too?

It's even more that they're unmarked. They also refuse to speak at all or identify what agency they work for or even that they are law enforcement officers. They are also fastidious about proper pandemic face covering

It's almost identical to Putin's little green men in Crimea in 2014.

I'm very curious how it would play out in court if someone seriously tried to resist arrest with one of these guys. Are you really legally required to comply with someone shoving you around who won't even identify themselves as being a law enforcement officer as they shove you into their rented minivan just because they have a tiny patch that says "Police"? What about if they're not even the police, they're a federal prison guard or something?

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Post by pandaman »

jorblumesea wrote: post #160
itsoktocry wrote: post #115

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> The exact same behavior that the 2nd amendment proponents literally said that's why they own guns. This is about personal liberty . When the secret police come for them, they will defend themselves with their guns. That's why they (claim to) own guns. Nobody buys guns to defend their right to own guns; they buy them to defend their own person and property. The fact that someone else fights to take away their guns a…

> This is about personal liberty. That is only one aspect or part of the 2nd amendment proponents debate. There were many, many people who literally made the argument that the 2nd amendment exists to keep government in check. This is a very common trope or line of reasoning. The libertarian crowd emphasized the personal liberty part more but the "government tyranny" argument was a huge part of the debate and discussi…

I think you misinterpreted the debate because I've never seen anybody sane advocating that armed citizenry should have been some kind of "super-police" that polices the government. "The check against tyranny" argument means that the armed people can put up resistance so a government that does not rule by consent of the governed may not last long.

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Post by johnny22 »

cwhiz wrote: post #195
alexose wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't call it hyperbole. Men in fatigues, who decline to identify themselves as law enforcement, are grabbing protesters off the streets and putting them in unmarked minivans. There are videos of this. From the article: > On July 12 a peaceful protester was struck in the head with an “impact weapon” and sustained severe injuries, according to the AG’s office. On Thursday, it says, “an unmarked minivan with under…

They’re wearing uniforms, arresting people suspected of crimes, and then releasing them. That is not even remotely similar to “secret police disappearing people.” Let’s be reasonable and honest about what is going on here.

but also be honest that it's not cool that they won't identify themselves or have badge numbers.

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Post by jacobush »

koheripbal wrote: post #146
jacobush wrote: post #5

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Nobody identifies themselves. Who are they?

It says POLICE right on their uniform

It says on my “uniform” too.

https://www.amazon.com/TIMTAC-Embroidered-Golden-Yellow-Poli...

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