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Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by koheripbal »

gguevaraa wrote: post #4

Any lawyers or people familiar with law want to chime in on how this will turn out?

Since this took place outside the Federal Courthouse during a riot where members of that group were attempting to burn down the courthouse, the Federal Officers have jurisdiction to arrest and prosecute any suspects at the event.

The officers in question have no duty to identify nor use police marked vehicles (note their uniform DOES say POLICE on it).

As long as the officers present the suspects in court with convincing evidence that they were personally involved, they're going to federal prison.

source: Best friend is a federal officer.

tldr: Do not try to burn down a Federal Courthouse. You will not pass Go. You will not collect $200.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

koheripbal wrote: post #135
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think they would be protesting still if there was an easier way to petition the government to make actual changes? Of course not. No one wants to potentially risk arrest and or be seriously injured in the political process. What we're seeing is the last resort of people organizing against a broken political system.

No. These (mostly teenagers) want change that most people don't want. That is why the process doesn't work for them - because they are the minority opinion. So that's why they resort to violence.

> mostly teenagers [citation needed]

> want change that most people don't want [citation needed]

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by e12e »

simonsarris wrote: post #132

FYI, what DHS alleges and is trying to stop, however competently or not: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-co...

Wow, that's a long list of mostly labeling minor property damage "violence". In a context where there have been some killings (car driving into demonstrations, shootings) - this seems like a clear case of wrong priorities along the lines of:

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-po...

Thanks for posting the link, by the way. Very illuminating to the DHS state of mind.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by koheripbal »

mindslight wrote: post #15

We're at the point where the larger Republican establishment either needs to repudiate and remove this anti-American wannabe dictator, or they're going to find themselves at the guillotine alongside him. Our society cannot take another 6 months of economic destruction, brazen totalitarianism, and weaponized ignorance.

I can't tell if this comment is serious... What makes you think the White House orders these arrests?

I would imagine that the local Federal offices are happy to arrest people who attempt to burn down a Federal Court house, and would have done exactly the same under Obama, Clinton, Bush, or Trump.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by koheripbal »

MengerSponge wrote: post #10
solidsnack9000 wrote: post #3

Not sure why they are saying the detentions are conducted "secretly".

Because they're being conducted by unidentified agents of the state and there isn't a thorough public record of it. The idiom refers to state records, not to public knowledge or visibility.

The uniform clear says "POLICE" on it.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by xref »

koheripbal wrote: post #123
Munky-Necan wrote: post #23

I'm surprised that someone hasn't been shot yet. Unmarked camouflage officers in unmarked vans that do not identify themselves as officers sounds like they might get shot at if they try detaining the wrong person.

They aren't unmarked - their camouflage uniform clearly says "POLICE" on the front. To be clear, do not shoot someone with POLICE written on their uniform, or even anyone you suspect might be a police officer, because you will spend the rest of your life in jail.

The pics I’ve seen show a small “police” patch in dark lettering over camo obscured by assault rifle straps and equipment. That’s not very clear in the dark when they don’t identify themselves and are putting a bag over your head

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by koheripbal »

krapp wrote: post #139
koheripbal wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the uniforms clearly say "POLICE" on them.

> Because the uniforms clearly say "POLICE" on them. You keep pointing that out as if it actually means something.

You keep denying it as if no one watches the video themselves

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by e12e »

whatthesmack wrote: post #33
Google234 wrote: post #17

Maybe these Portlanders should stop trying to burn down the federal courthouse.

My thoughts exactly. When they’re being violent and destroying things, does it really come as a surprise that they’re getting arrested?

By federal agencies?

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by krapp »

koheripbal wrote: post #148
krapp wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because the uniforms clearly say "POLICE" on them. You keep pointing that out as if it actually means something.

You keep denying it as if no one watches the video themselves

Anyone can buy a patch that says "POLICE" on it and sew it to some fatigues. That's not a legitimate form of identification.

There is no law enforcement organization or bureau named "POLICE" which one could petition, interview or sue.

Stop being purposely obtuse.

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