Amazon soya and beef exports 'linked to deforestation'

Post by rhn_mk1 » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 11:52 AM UTC

logicchains wrote: post #24

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I don't care that much for my own health, but I do care about my ecological footprint. Not because of X units of satisfaction I'll take from glaciers thirty years from now, but because I don't treat the world as my property. We're guests here and should behave accordingly.

>We're guests here and should behave accordingly. Guests of who, exactly?

Post by bzb3 » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 11:53 AM UTC

codegladiator wrote: post #14

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Because I don't care about the environmental cost beacuse people like you who don't eat meat will cover for my cost, god bless. Also tbqh I'd prefer some trees chopped off than to quit eating steaks.

I see this down voted, and frankly not surprised, this is a really unpopular opinion somehow, but this is not wrong. As a community we do see the duty of protecting environment imposed on us, but as an individual I don't think many people see it as that. I don't know how to put it in words exactly, but "future is doomed" is somehow "everyone knows" one way or another (at least I am going to die before doom happens an…

Post by toper-centage » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 11:59 AM UTC

logicchains wrote: post #27

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Just because there's no objectively correct measure, I wouldn't say that means it isn't wrong. There's nothing objective in ethics. In your example of people not caring about their health: the environmental impact of diet is in a different ethical class for me. If you choose to ignore your own health that's your deal, but if you make choices that negatively impact the lives of millions I think the ethics are differen…

>If you choose to ignore your own health that's your deal, but if you make choices that negatively impact the lives of millions I think the ethics are different. The impact of any individual unit of meat consumption by an individual is incredibly marginal. The standard society generally uses to determine whether an individual has harmed another is way higher than that. The satisfaction an individual gets from eating…

Post by anwseringmrns » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 12:09 PM UTC

eukgoekoko wrote: post #7

afandian wrote: post #4

Here's an interesting thought experiment for meat-eaters: Why not stop eating beef? your response might be a knee-jerk "but I really like it!". Everyone knows the huge environmental costs we are responsible for when eating meat. But it's really interesting to pursue the tension in your own personal logic-brain vs lizard want-it-brain. I've stopped eating most refined sugar and massively cut down on meat in the past f…

HDYT, is it time for you to cut down on soya as well?

Post by amelius » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 12:12 PM UTC

captainmuon wrote: post #36

afandian wrote: post #4

Here's an interesting thought experiment for meat-eaters: Why not stop eating beef? your response might be a knee-jerk "but I really like it!". Everyone knows the huge environmental costs we are responsible for when eating meat. But it's really interesting to pursue the tension in your own personal logic-brain vs lizard want-it-brain. I've stopped eating most refined sugar and massively cut down on meat in the past f…

Here's my unorthodox take. If I do the morally right thing and decide to stop eating beef, why should I be punished by not getting to eat beef ? It sounds silly but I'm not kidding. If I could vote to reduce the global production of beef by one average person's consumption, I would do so immediately. I would probably continue to eat it though. I'm aware that many people would make the same choice, and this will resul…