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Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by bmitc »

shreyansj wrote: post #635
marcell wrote: post #612

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I'm not sure if it's worth it or not, but after you end the lockdown, you have the same situation you did at the start of the lockdown. I think there's a huge misconception in many media sources that lockdown will somehow eliminate the virus. It can change the onset pattern of the virus, but that's it.

It's amazing to wonder whether any step, any inconvenience is worth saving even lives when the magnitude of that is in the thousands. Countries have literally been bombed over far fewer deaths.

> Countries have literally been bombed over far fewer deaths.

This virus, itself, isn't anti-American or "terrorist" enough for the U.S. to wage war against, yet it's far deadlier.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by garmaine »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #578
garmaine wrote: post #480

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The alternative option is hybrid remote/on-site schooling, where the kids are on campus half-day, rotating groups a few days a week, on an alternating week schedule. That gets critical face-to-face time, albeit with social distancing, that is necessary (particularly for elementary) to support a workable remote learning plan on the other days. This is what my school district, for example, was planning on doing until t…

This is what my nephew is doing, and it's 100% incompatible with working parents. How can they work around shifting 4 hour days with alternating weekly schedules?

The purpose is to safely achieve learning goals, not to provide daycare.

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Post by bjourne »

prof-dr-ir wrote: post #269

It is a bit surprising to me that there is such a strong focus in the US on school closures and mask wearing (here on HN but also in the major newspapers). It is my impression that in quite a few European countries there have been, and to some extent still are, significant debates about the effectiveness of both these measures. On the other hand, there appears to have been a much more universal implementation of othe…

It's election year in the US. Republicans demand that school should be reopened so Democrats must demand that they should remain closed. The evidence shows that school closures are not effective. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/apa.15371

(I.e Trump is right for once)

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by cortesoft »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #650
cortesoft wrote: post #554

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> Or you find other people in your community that can help. But that is school.

It may be "school", but it's not at a public school building. It's wherever the co-op meets, or wherever your mentor is.

So a private school

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Post by s1artibartfast »

MereInterest wrote: post #756
s1artibartfast wrote: post #737

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Don't we want better groceries for lower prices? The question is if there is a net benefit in educational outcomes for the combined charter and public system.

Experimentally: No. Betsy Devos's implementation was tested in Detroit, and failed miserably at teaching children. Expanding it without major, major changes is irresponsible and immoral. Step 1 is a system that doesn't defund public schools in the process.

can you share a link? What I have read about charter schools in NY was very positive

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Post by fzeroracer »

isthispermanent wrote: post #718
gowld wrote: post #702

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There are two camps causing trouble preventing COVID-19 mitigation: the Radical Right where they are in office (Trump, Arizona, Florida,...), and the Radical Right where the Left or moderate Right are in office (Michigan).

This is what I'm talking about. I want to preface this with: I've voted blue ticket my entire life... The numbers just do not back this claim up. NY/NJ/CT all have the absolute worst outcomes so far. NY and Gov Cuomo couldn't be more adored by the media. Meanwhile the red south and others that never locked down are sitting at about 10% the deaths of the blue northeast. You can say wait two weeks, but we've been waiti…

> You can say wait two weeks, but we've been waiting two weeks on AZ, FL, and GA, for about 6 weeks now.

> Cases have gone up but deaths have not.

You seem to have a severe misunderstanding of the virus. The reason why people say to wait two weeks is because there's a massive lag time. Not only is there a long incubation period but there's also a massive period of time between exhibiting symptoms and death. People who exhibit symptoms will die around two to eight weeks afterwards.

When you see cases go up, that means we can expect any deaths to follow within the next month or so. That's exactly what we're seeing in Texas right now with a huge spike in cases and many of our hospitals overwhelmed.

NY/NJ/CT have had the worst outcome so far because they got hit the hardest early on. They've already passed over the death hump assuming there isn't a second wave. For us in Texas though? Just wait and see. In fact I'm going to favorite your post and get back to you when it starts getting really bad.

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Post by matz1 »

pqhwan wrote: post #788
matz1 wrote: post #693

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Because its not worth it to make millions other people suffer due to lockdown.

I’m sorry, but of all the things I’ve read on HN regarding this pandemic, your lack of empathy truly stands out. Of the “millions other people” you mentioned, there are two types: those who feel a sense of duty to bear their share of burden to stop this virus from taking (complete strangers’) lives, and those who reject that notion, eagerly treating those lives, and the lives of people who would grieve their losses,…

Of course i understand it can be tragic for some people to loss life due to this virus but I also understand to achieve near 0 death will also incur high cost.

>your lack of empathy truly stands out.

I disagree, I sympathize those millions who suffer due to the lockdown. Their suffering is real as well.

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Post by mantap »

hodgesrm wrote: post #714
Fargren wrote: post #471

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Most of the world has reacted better than the US. I agree it's not easy, it has not been easy for anyone. But the unwillingness/incapability of the US to suffer backlash from their own moneyed interests is not the norm. It's a symptom of a dysfunctional system. It shouldn't be normalized.

I don't see how the moneyed interests really have much to do with the COVID-19 response in the US (or lack of it). Few of the people refusing to wear masks belong to the idle rich.

There is nothing special about America in that respect. Plenty of people around the world are not wearing masks when they are supposed to.

What sets America apart is the hyper-shorttermism: go into a lockdown, then come out of it in the middle when it becomes clear that the lockdown has economic consequences (which should have been obvious). Then, go back into lockdowns when it becomes clear that coming out of lockdown at the wrong time lead to a second wave.

There seems to be a particular class of stupid businesspeople, who cannot think beyond next week. This too is not unique to america. What is unique is that in America their desire to bankrupt their own businesses takes precedence over everything else.

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Post by samatman »

ethanbond wrote: post #734
rayiner wrote: post #689

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Island.

Sorry is the implication that the US is in the state it’s in because infected people are continuously walking across the border and infecting more people? If no, then being an island isn’t really relevant here.

I invite you to spend some time with Hawaii's COVID statistics before coming to the conclusion that being an island, or not, is irrelevant to US outcomes.

https://www.hawaiidata.org/covid19

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Post by [deleted] »

oramit wrote: post #358

What we currently have going on right now is a complete collapse in confidence. So many commenters are debating the death rate, case counts, hospitalizations, etc, which is all besides the point. Heres the thing: even if you believe people are being irrationally afraid, telling people they are stupid and should just suck it up isn't going to get people to cooperate. Do you want to be smugly right, or do you want thin…

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