Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories • Hacker News Board

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by bitcurious » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 11:08 PM UTC

xster wrote: post #187

bitcurious wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/china-wuhan-revises-c... Here’s a very unbloomberg source article that says that China underreported deaths by 50%.

Not sure if you read the article you're linking. I'd say it's demonstrating the inverse if what you're saying, i.e. china is so not 'falsifying numbers' that it went back in time to tally cases that never made it into the hospitals for accuracy. I don't know if many countries progressed to the stage of being able to look back to revise and reshare adjustments on previous statistics. If just number jumps are your thin…

Alternatively; they were called out, and the discrepancy between the reality and reported was too wide, they had to do something.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by CamperBob2 » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 11:13 PM UTC

ghaff wrote: post #178

CamperBob2 wrote: post #165

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It's hard to support investigative reporting and fact checkers. When the bad drives out the good, it's no surprise that no one wants to pay for the bad.

I think you have cause and effect reversed.

And I think you do. Where does that leave us?

The fact is, nobody has offered me access to a news source that covers all topics of possible interest in a manner that's free from overt biases (or poorly-hidden ones) and intelligence-insulting "both sides" fallacies. Bloomberg certainly doesn't qualify.

If such a service is ever offered, I don't expect it to be cheap, much less free... but rest assured I'll listen to their pitch. I'm sure I'm not the only potential customer for a high-end premium news product that I can actually trust.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by bredren » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 11:49 PM UTC

MR4D wrote: post #185

bredren wrote: post #179

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Because it would require hardware, network and general security engineers to perform the investigation. And along with that would be a dozen aides or delegates to these professionals that would be very familiar with the investigation. It would be obvious if the results were opposite what Cook said publicly, or if the investigation was suddenly stopped and made inconclusive. Apple would also be counting on the US gove…

You are assuming that Apple would know. Am I missing something?

I think in your idea, the exploit is real and known by LE and Bloomberg. However, Apple was not able to find this out, even though it was real. Is that the case? If so, it would suggest the FBI is allowing Apple to unknowingly use compromised systems?

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by basch » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 11:57 PM UTC

kohtatsu wrote: post #153

akiselev wrote: post #125

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It's more than that. Google tracks how long you stay on a page whenever you use the back button to go back to the search results. The longer you stay on that page, the better the page will rank so once everyone figured it out, we started getting all that useless fluff before recipes because it increases the time spent on pages.

I've thought a lot about how Google is fucking privacy over, but I haven't appreciated how badly they've managed to hamper the web. It's not entirely their fault, SEO hacking isn't an easy problem, but the open web has certainly faltered under their stewardship. It's so incompetent it almost looks like an effort to make it harder to find things without having Google's AI cut it into small bite sized pieces. I think G…

>SEO hacking isn't an easy problem

It isnt and it is. With how many employees they have, it wouldnt be that hard to come up with a "preferlist" that always outranks other content, and have that list constantly maintained, verified, and checked. Googler runs across a high quality site, it gets nominated for the preferlist. Preferred site descends into clickbait, they get removed.

The problem both Google and Facebook have is because of their attempt to maintain the illusion of impartiality, that they refuse to just say "we decided these sites are just better" like they should. The whole reason I go to google is because they are supposed to return better results.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by xster » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 12:27 AM UTC

bitcurious wrote: post #191

xster wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if you read the article you're linking. I'd say it's demonstrating the inverse if what you're saying, i.e. china is so not 'falsifying numbers' that it went back in time to tally cases that never made it into the hospitals for accuracy. I don't know if many countries progressed to the stage of being able to look back to revise and reshare adjustments on previous statistics. If just number jumps are your thin…

Alternatively; they were called out, and the discrepancy between the reality and reported was too wide, they had to do something.

I think people have trouble grasping the concept of exponential growth.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by smabie » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 12:32 AM UTC

xster wrote: post #188

smabie wrote: post #112

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What does that have to do with long articles? Are you suggesting long articles move the market more? Personally, I don't think paying journalists bonuses based on market moves a bad idea. Sure, there's sometimes misaligned incentives, but you could say the same about any compensation scheme.

Neither the OP or the grandparent or my post had anything to do with long article's. The original premise is mediocre articles.

Yeah but the TFA was mostly about long articles.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by rimunroe » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 12:40 AM UTC

cosmie wrote: post #148

rimunroe wrote: post #142

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I’ve heard this several times, but as far as I know this only means a person wouldn’t be able to copy the whole work, but that they’d still be absolutely allowed to extract/copy the recipe itself (in the form of the ingredients and the steps needed to make the food)

I can't speak to other forms of copyrights, but literary copyrights also protect derivative works[1]. It'd likely be hard to prove for isolated incidences or sufficiently generic recipes, but but if someone extracted and republished recipes en masse, you could establish that they're deriving those recipes from your works and violating your copyright. Edit: See my comment here[1] for more details and an example of the…

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think that reasoning holds up. An uninformed reading of 17 USC 102(b) sounds like it directly contradicts your theory:

> In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work.

This seems like a good summary of a relevant case and the relevant copyright law[1]. The gist of it is that even if a work is copyrightable, that doesn't extend to facts contained within it (such as the ingredients and process required to make a dish).

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by ifmpx » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 1:14 AM UTC

whoisjuan wrote: post #75

Like when they made up a story about China infiltrating servers of US companies with a nano chip that is not even technically feasible to produce and they simply ignore everyone when they were called out on their bs?

I haven't been able to bring myself to read any bloomburg article since that fiasco went down. Refusing to redact a fabricated story doesn't bode well for an organization that claims to report news.

I'm still waiting for a redaction and apology, bloomburg. What you did was reckless and irresponsible.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by rendaw » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 2:08 AM UTC

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #78

greatgib wrote: post #36

The point of the chief editor is so true that I'm surprised to read that from them. I have noticed that a lot of times with this kind of web media. - You have a clickbait title like this: "How a normal guy managed to hack WallStreet with a simple pen" - Then, you have one page of interesting introduction on the topic but without the reply to the title question. "In november 2018, WallStreet was busy with the introduc…

This is merely a consequence of SEO. Have you tried searching for recipes? It's absolutely miserable. I don't need irrelevant life stories-- show me the ingredient list and instructions.

This sounds really strange to me. I don't wake up, sit down for breakfast, think "hmm I really want to read news about hacking wallstreet with pens", then google it. I open up a news website's front page and see what they have there.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by tomerv » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:22 AM UTC

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #78

greatgib wrote: post #36

The point of the chief editor is so true that I'm surprised to read that from them. I have noticed that a lot of times with this kind of web media. - You have a clickbait title like this: "How a normal guy managed to hack WallStreet with a simple pen" - Then, you have one page of interesting introduction on the topic but without the reply to the title question. "In november 2018, WallStreet was busy with the introduc…

This is merely a consequence of SEO. Have you tried searching for recipes? It's absolutely miserable. I don't need irrelevant life stories-- show me the ingredient list and instructions.

I am pretty sure this reporting style predates internet journalism. I see it as a very American style. It appears in almost all long form articles in English language articles. Almost every article has this irrelevant segue about a third way into it, always with a description of the physical appearance of the character (how they talk, what they wear). It's so boring and useless.