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Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by puranjay »

kohtatsu wrote: post #153
akiselev wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more than that. Google tracks how long you stay on a page whenever you use the back button to go back to the search results. The longer you stay on that page, the better the page will rank so once everyone figured it out, we started getting all that useless fluff before recipes because it increases the time spent on pages.

I've thought a lot about how Google is fucking privacy over, but I haven't appreciated how badly they've managed to hamper the web. It's not entirely their fault, SEO hacking isn't an easy problem, but the open web has certainly faltered under their stewardship. It's so incompetent it almost looks like an effort to make it harder to find things without having Google's AI cut it into small bite sized pieces. I think G…

And they're not even trying to pretend to be subtle about it anymore. AMP is the best example. Google is acting almost like malware, taking over a site and destroying the experience.

It's honestly sad. Google could have gone in such a different direction. They're sitting on a gold mine but they caved into investor pressure to keep on pumping more gold instead of being happy with just the billions they would have made anyway.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by schnable »

derefr wrote: post #108
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is merely a consequence of SEO. Have you tried searching for recipes? It's absolutely miserable. I don't need irrelevant life stories-- show me the ingredient list and instructions.

I've always wondered why someone isn't going around taking other people's SEO-fluffed recipes and just re-formatting them onto standalone fluff-less pages, with good, standardized formatting: • an ingredients table rather than an ingredients list (i.e. where quantity, unit, and ingredient name are columns; and quantity is right-aligned, like any other numeric column in Excel); with sensible units that don't assume th…

Sounds like you would like this site: http://www.cookingforengineers.com

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by amiga_500 »

dredmorbius wrote: post #163
amiga_500 wrote: post #46

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Slavishly neoliberal is not the same as free trade. Adam Smith, whom they model themselves after, was against rentier activity, The Economist is not. The UK is presently embroiled in negotiating all kinds of trade agreements as part of Brexit, and none of the countries will be signing a reciprocal "free trade" agreement between the two, it's a pipe dream. In addition, Smith would have been appalled at the UK running…

So, yes, understanding and admitting that both definitions and adherances to ideologies shift over time (see the remarkable and sad descent of, say, H.L. Mencken's American Mercury , or for that matter, the party of Lincoln), my larger point was that The Economist was literally founded on the notion of promoting a specific economic orthodoxy. (Not uncommon among periodicals of the time, and since.) Many people seem s…

What it was founded on is not really relevant.

It does not represent Adam Smith, who disliked rentiers:

> “As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce.”

They do not make their prospectus visible. If you do not subscribe you cannot even read their principals. In any case writing one thing down and doing another is very common. The Economist is obsessed with financialisation and cheer-led the utter mess the UK and USA are in for decades.

Obviously it's up to each person if they continue to read it. I dispute it's quality, I think it's neoliberal propaganda and nothing more.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by 1propionyl »

puranjay wrote: post #181
kohtatsu wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've thought a lot about how Google is fucking privacy over, but I haven't appreciated how badly they've managed to hamper the web. It's not entirely their fault, SEO hacking isn't an easy problem, but the open web has certainly faltered under their stewardship. It's so incompetent it almost looks like an effort to make it harder to find things without having Google's AI cut it into small bite sized pieces. I think G…

And they're not even trying to pretend to be subtle about it anymore. AMP is the best example. Google is acting almost like malware, taking over a site and destroying the experience. It's honestly sad. Google could have gone in such a different direction. They're sitting on a gold mine but they caved into investor pressure to keep on pumping more gold instead of being happy with just the billions they would have made…

As an experiment, try adding ampproject.org and google.com/amp to your blacklist and living with it for a week.

I've been doing this for quite a while now, and it's placed in stark relief how bad the problem is getting.

It used to be that a few results were AMP, usually news sites, but you could easily bypass it via the (i) icon.

Then it was that most results that were content focused (not dynamic sites or web apps) were were AMP, but you could easily bypass it.

Today, most results are AMP, even for sites which are dynamic (e.g. Reddit), and to make matters worse, the (i) links of many websites have now started linking to AMP pages themselves.

You might be thinking "ah, well those are their self-hosted copies. Shouldn't that be fine? The problem is Google's use of AMP, not the format itself, right?"

Funny thing that: those "self-hosted" AMP pages also won't load with the above two blacklist rules.

Also, many image search results are now somehow AMP (...how does that even make sense? It's just an image, so just serve me the image!). And for a while, you couldn't bypass it at all.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by MR4D »

bredren wrote: post #179
MR4D wrote: post #149

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Who says they are all in on it? And media has held back articles several times due to govt request - maybe this one just got through. Not saying I'm right - only saying it's possible .

Because it would require hardware, network and general security engineers to perform the investigation. And along with that would be a dozen aides or delegates to these professionals that would be very familiar with the investigation. It would be obvious if the results were opposite what Cook said publicly, or if the investigation was suddenly stopped and made inconclusive. Apple would also be counting on the US gove…

You are assuming that Apple would know. Am I missing something?

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by whoisjuan »

smolder wrote: post #109
whoisjuan wrote: post #75

Like when they made up a story about China infiltrating servers of US companies with a nano chip that is not even technically feasible to produce and they simply ignore everyone when they were called out on their bs?

Why do you say it's technically unfeasible? The articles I saw "debunking" Bloomberg are pretty weak on their arguments. Even if Bloomberg got some things wrong, a tiny chip that subverts motherboard firmware to phone home for instructions is possible in something rice sized, for a sophisticated state actor. Network stacks already exist in firmware. You'd need to inject maybe 4KB of instructions somewhere, but I can'…

https://www.servethehome.com/investigating-implausible-bloom...

This is a good explanation. This article is weird because it's paginated. Make sure to use the paginator below the body to read it fully.

There are many good arguments in that article but the simplest one is that there's simply no modern lithography methods to produce a chip of that size with processing power, signaling interfaces and networking, which are all required to create a trojan ship like the one described by Bloomberg. Additionally you need to provide power to this hypothetical nano-chip so you need more components like capacitors which of course is never mentioned in the Bloomberg article.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by xster »

bitcurious wrote: post #145
xster wrote: post #106

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I'd love to be corrected with primary source but as far as I can ingest from all the recent article's I'm reading, Bloomberg is also the only source that started the whole China is falsifying its covid numbers narrative based on what "the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials. The officials asked not to be identified because the report is se…

> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/china-wuhan-revises-c... Here’s a very unbloomberg source article that says that China underreported deaths by 50%.

Not sure if you read the article you're linking. I'd say it's demonstrating the inverse if what you're saying, i.e. china is so not 'falsifying numbers' that it went back in time to tally cases that never made it into the hospitals for accuracy.

I don't know if many countries progressed to the stage of being able to look back to revise and reshare adjustments on previous statistics.

If just number jumps are your thing, you'd have more fun with the 100% jump in china cases when they revised the definition of confirmed cases as anyone with glassy spots in their lungs from CT scans but without viral tests yet.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by xster »

smabie wrote: post #112
xster wrote: post #103

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I mean I don't know what else to say besides the fact that Bloomberg itself deserves all the blame for having a reporter compensation scheme that rewards article's that "move the market". https://www.businessinsider.com/bloomberg-reporters-compensa... It's like a fire chief coming out and saying I don't like the state of our neighbourhood after implementing firefighter pay per size of the fire.

What does that have to do with long articles? Are you suggesting long articles move the market more? Personally, I don't think paying journalists bonuses based on market moves a bad idea. Sure, there's sometimes misaligned incentives, but you could say the same about any compensation scheme.

Neither the OP or the grandparent or my post had anything to do with long article's. The original premise is mediocre articles.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by boogies »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #78
greatgib wrote: post #36

The point of the chief editor is so true that I'm surprised to read that from them. I have noticed that a lot of times with this kind of web media. - You have a clickbait title like this: "How a normal guy managed to hack WallStreet with a simple pen" - Then, you have one page of interesting introduction on the topic but without the reply to the title question. "In november 2018, WallStreet was busy with the introduc…

This is merely a consequence of SEO. Have you tried searching for recipes? It's absolutely miserable. I don't need irrelevant life stories-- show me the ingredient list and instructions.

> Have you tried searching for recipes?

DuckDuckGo's Yummly-powered instant answers work fine (one click, no scrolling to ingredients, although there seem to be affiliate links to them involved).

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Post by dna_polymerase »

cosmie wrote: post #131
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is merely a consequence of SEO. Have you tried searching for recipes? It's absolutely miserable. I don't need irrelevant life stories-- show me the ingredient list and instructions.

The SEO implications definitely have a massive influence on it, but it's also a consequence of copyright law. A recipe in and of itself isn't copyrightable, but recipes fluffed up with a bunch of prose may qualify as a literary work and the recipe itself gains copyright protection as a component of that literary work[1]. [1] "How do I protect my recipe?" section of https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html

I'd argue an abundance of graduates in "creative writing" is part of the problem.
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