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Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by noisem4ker »

izacus wrote: post #39
sniperjzp wrote: post #17

Watching youtube videos using Google's bandwidth, without watching any ads or paying for sub, I don't see how this could be legit in the long term.

I wonder why this is being downvoted - Google asks for subscription for features that this app hacks for free. In any other context this would be deemed unethical (or even piracy). E.g. think of an application that streams Apple Music without paying Apple or distributors of cracked apps with enabled in-app purchase features. And yet the HN community happily endorses such apps when it comes to Google. I also wonder wh…

>features that this app hacks for free

I'd like to focus on a single point here: background playback. If anything, it's Google that's stepping over the boundaries in this situation, trespassing the typical boundaries of an app and breaking the natural interaction model. How I consume (or not) the output of an app should be none of its business. I expect to be able to switch windows, minimize, look away, turn off the screen or mute the volume without the app knowing and acting differently. Forbidding me to do so is an artificial anti-feature and doesn't bring me any sympathy towards Google and their paid offering.

I would keep using NewPipe along with the official app even if it showed ads (which I consider tolerable in YouTube's case) for sanity-restoring features like this one.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by anoncake »

namdnay wrote: post #73
toastercat wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's certainly not a popular opinion, but it's definitely an uninformed opinion. The aim of NewPipe is not to "stick it to the man" or even to advertisers, it's to create a superior viewing experience that removes much of the bloat of Youtube's official app, and also being light on system resources. Whereas the official app used to crash and warm up my Moto G5 Plus, NewPipe has been running like a dream for years.

Well yeah but it also removes ads... which are how content creators and the people who build and maintain the platform infrastructure make a living.

It doesn't remove ads, it just doesn't play them. Why do you expect the developer spend effort on funneling money to Google while degrading the viewing experience?

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by specialist »

bsdubernerd wrote: post #47
jedimastert wrote: post #35

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That's why I'm on YouTube Premium. I definitely watch enough youtube to get $10 out of it.

I'm happy to support content creators with patreon when they offer a way to do so. _Especially_ when they offer a way to see their videos off YouTube. I'd never pay a dime for YT itself due to their policies and overall platform. I mostly use YouTube to discover niche content, but only because I've been running an ad-blocker since forever. I cannot fathom how anyone could enjoy it in any other way currently. When I s…

Being semi curious why creators aren't already using any of the other hosts, I poked around a bit.

OMG.

Whereas YouTube is a toxic cesspool, the others are blackhole hellmouths leading directly to eternal damnation. Meaning the wannabe's complete abrogation of their responsibilities show that YouTube's pathetic attempts at content moderation are better than nothing.

I now think there's an opportunity for white label video hosting.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by anoncake »

drbacon wrote: post #42
noarchy wrote: post #9

This remains a killer app for me on Android. I don't know if anything equivalent exists on iOS, to enable background playing and video downloads (and you can choose whether to download them as audio files).

Um. Consider the Official YouTube app, with a paid YouTube Premium subscription. >(and you can choose whether to download them as audio files) Videos with still images (many songs) shouldn't be much data at all over the audio alone.

What can Google's app do what NewPipe can't?

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

izacus wrote: post #51
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #48

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Counterpoint: the amount of advertisements needed to sustain video production ultimately hinders the value of the video. If I'm watching an hour long video about X, and I have to watch 40 mid-roll ads, I'm way more likely to turn it off. I'd much rather directly support creators via Patreon, and Adblock everything else.

YouTube Premium will not show any Ads. You just need to pay for the service you're receiving. Since when is that an unreasonable ask?

YouTube makes a profit, after all operational costs are accounted for, they aren't paying creators what they're owed. Why would I support a company who regularly short changes the creators who work hard to produce quality content?

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by noisem4ker »

NMDaniel wrote: post #78
izacus wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why this is being downvoted - Google asks for subscription for features that this app hacks for free. In any other context this would be deemed unethical (or even piracy). E.g. think of an application that streams Apple Music without paying Apple or distributors of cracked apps with enabled in-app purchase features. And yet the HN community happily endorses such apps when it comes to Google. I also wonder wh…

That's not piracy. Youtube is sending you packets, out of their own choice. It's my own right to save those packets(without re-distributing) them and watch them in any form I like. Playing in the background is not a "feature", it's a basic device capability, the fact that YouTube went out of their way to prevent it does not make it right, imagine if the browser client had stopped playing when you went out of focus -…

With Android, I believe you could always run anything you wanted in the background, provided you had enough memory. Starting with versions 5-6, restrictions have been put in to prevent abuses and battery draining with the user unaware of it. The two OSs converged towards a mean point from opposite directions in this case.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by [deleted] »

drbacon wrote: post #86
izacus wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube Premium will not show any Ads. You just need to pay for the service you're receiving. Since when is that an unreasonable ask?

The entitlement among the general population is a little nuts. We expect things for free, without ads, and with high reliability. In this case we also want additional features like not logging in, downloads and background playback. Side note: Is it any wonder that journalism is dying when no one wants to pay for it (or be subject to advertising)? YouTube is asking that their users either watch ads or pay money. That'…

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Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by drbacon »

specialist wrote: post #94
drbacon wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entitlement among the general population is a little nuts. We expect things for free, without ads, and with high reliability. In this case we also want additional features like not logging in, downloads and background playback. Side note: Is it any wonder that journalism is dying when no one wants to pay for it (or be subject to advertising)? YouTube is asking that their users either watch ads or pay money. That'…

So you're saying Google (YouTube) should share some of their lion's share of cheddar with content creators?

Definitely.

Creators do get the lion share of YouTube's gross revenue.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/03261...

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