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Re: New iOS privacy feature may end an era of personalized ads

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> They do not care about >80 % world popln? They too need smartphones. nobody needs a smartphone. It's a gadget.

It is a lifeline for many - especially in poor world. Work, school and everything is arranged in WhatsApp or FB

WhatsApp just this year cut off access for iPhone 4 users, but iPhone 4S users can still use it, as well as anything newer.

The iPhone 4S, which still works with WhatsApp, debuted in 2011. They're cheap and reliable.

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So do Android devices, I'm using a Samsung SIII from 2012 as 'work phone' when doing rough work on the farm etc. The device runs Android 9 (LineageOS 16), I have not felt the need to update it to 10 yet. It has a user-replaceable battery but since it still lasts for about 2 days of normal use (playing around 8 hours of audio per day) I have not yet replaced it. I did put in a larger microSD card to support a larger o…

Upgrading your OS is only part of your software security footprint. The unlocked bootloaders/firmware running on many old devices are full of unpatched security holes and are often susceptible to attacks where physical access is available. These security holes are a common method to install third-party ROMs on some devices.

Yes, that is after all what makes it possible to jailbreak nearly all iPhone models using something like Checkra1n.

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No, this is for in-apps tracking, not the web.

You can still run a system wide ad and tracking blocker on android.

You can on iOS too. They're implemented as a VPN running at localhost.

Re: New iOS privacy feature may end an era of personalized ads

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That's not a reason to pay more for an iPhone. Android allows you to install any browser you want (as opposed to Apple still not allowing real third party browsers), including Firefox with uBlock, which is much much better at privacy than Safari on Apple and as a bonus makes the internet 3x faster by blocking ads.

Yes, we should all flock to an operating system developed by an advertising company in an effort to escape advertisements.

I mean you 1000% shouldn't go to any store, buy an Android phone and just use it if you want to avoid Google. But Android in isolation is fine as long as you consider it a hobbyist smartphone platform.

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Apple didn't solve that the ad industry is an alternative for paying to see a website's content. So what will happen is that: - Safari/iOS users will be required to pay for a ad-supported website - Safari/iOS users will be denied access to the website

Or those users will still see ads, they just won't be tracked and the ads will be less personalized.

Or ad networks will just use fingerprinting to generate a unique ID and continue business as normal.

Re: New iOS privacy feature may end an era of personalized ads

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iPhones have longevity. The iPhone 5s from September 2013 has been receiving regular security updates, the latest being iOS 12.4.8 on Wednesday. It was the first 64-bit phone, and first iPhone (first phone?) with a Secure Enclave. They can be had for <$100 in good condition.

BTW, every one says this - but nobody uses it like a daily driver. Yes, it will work as a spare - with just one app - like whatsapp - but for many poor - they need 1. Uber or Ola 2. Facebook or WhatsApp 3. linkedin to whatever local app 4. youtube Why dont you try to use it for a week with all your existing apps? If it works as good - why would anyone buy newer?

I'm still using a 6s Plus 128GB. I keep thinking about getting a new one, but this one still works great. Haven't found a slow app yet. Everything is still responsive. Screen is still scratch free. And it's going to get iOS 14 this year. Even though it was relatively expensive when new, it's probably been one of the best values in tech I've ever seen. And yeah, it's a daily driver. Use it for everything.

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Unless all traffic is routed through Apple servers advertisers will still be able to track the ip address. (A visit to some url, say google.com, with login cookie, and the link between ip and user is made again.)

Seriously I hope IPv6-only never arrives. Let's just be hippies and share NAT'd IPv4's. Unironically. Edit: I've gone rogue and blocked IPv6 in DNSCloak. https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/dnscloak-secure-dns-client/id1...

I mean we could be real real hippies and NAT IPv6. I really see so case for not doing this since people would still want to use private address space for internal networks bigger than their assigned public block.

Re: New iOS privacy feature may end an era of personalized ads

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Maybe the open source promise of Android was indeed a lie. To me this industry has no value to society at all. Not a fan of Apple, but they seem to be serious about privacy showing other companies how it is done. Microsoft could have really established itself as an alternative to Google on the same front, but they utterly failed by mirroring the worst aspects of the disastrous landscape we see on mobile devices. I ho…

Microsoft already tried, very hard even. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroogled Problem is nobody likes Microsoft, its not sexy. Just look at all the dislikes under those videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI1ominSL_c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63u-RG-31B0

Microsoft didn't try "Very Hard". They made some easy sacrifices on their ad-starved, money-losing search platform, then piled some money into advertising it, ran with it for a year or two, then gave up. This is historically one of Microsoft's biggest[1] weaknesses, they have no conviction. Their effort didn't touch anything outside Bing (or was it Live then?) and it certainly didn't extend to their APIs or anything challenging like this.

Apple's been pushing this for more than 5 years now, slowly working it pushing it through their stack and quietly[2] messaging about it for that entire time. They made it a company-wide priority, to the point where advertising companies and developers on their platform are complaining about it. They've been updating their APIs to block out this kind of crap for more than 5 years while gaining only small amounts of good-will around this.

So yeah... people take Apple's efforts here more seriously than Microsoft's half-effort.

[1] Pre-Satya Nadella. Seems like Nadella is quite a bit more focused than Ballmer, but still a bit hard to tell.

[2] Ok, maybe not too quietly, but they didn't make a big embarrassing advertising campaign either.

Re: New iOS privacy feature may end an era of personalized ads

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I've been using the full desktop version of the ublock origin plugin on firefox mobile for quite some time, and it's dramatically improved my mobile experience.

Yes it's great... I also use other adblocking methods (DNS based) but uBlock Origin remains king.

Only thing I really really miss from FF Mobile is the pull to refresh. I so wish they'd add that, because every time I open a tab with a news site that was already opened it shows stale information, and I have to open the hamburger menu to do a refresh. 2 actions instead of one.

An option to have sites auto refresh when switching to the tab after xx minutes would be great too. Right now it's just too inconvenient.

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